Do you think you are smarter than God?

[jayem]

Or do you think you are equal to him in intelligence and or wisdom? Make your case.

How intelligent is God? All either of us know is what some Bronze Age, tribal priests tell us. Why should I believe them? I'll bet I'm as intelligent as they were. And a lot more informed.

 

[keith99]

I doubt that anyone thinks they are smarter than God. Either they don't believe in him, which makes the question irrelevant to them, or they believe that God is more wise than themselves.

I would submit that those who appear to think they are smarter than God are most likely merely expressing disagreement with those that claim to speak for Him.

And I don't see anything wrong with that.

Bolding mine.

My position exactly. I know I'm smarter than many (not all) who claim to speak for God. Many seem unable to read clear text, yet they would have me believe they understand the hard passages.

Oh and many seem to be unable to seperate their opinions from God's. (If there is a God).

 

[Isambard]

Or do you think you are equal to him in intelligence and or wisdom? Make your case.

Yes I am.

For one, I know Pi isnt a round number. I also know bats arnt birds.

 

[Mling]

I am certainly smarter than anybody who cannot tell the difference between himself and god.

 

[InigoMontoja]

Yes. I am also smarter and wiser than Gandalf, Belgarath, Owl, Q, Merlin, and a whole host of fictional characters.

Apparently you also think you can thwart the observations of cosmology and the laws of physics, as inherent in your statement is the presupposition that the Big Bang came from nowhere, or that there was no Big Bang.

 

[dlamberth]

This whole subforum is full of people who in one way or another seem to find fault with God.

It's the Christian image of God I find fault with.

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[cantata]

Apparently you also think you can thwart the observations of cosmology and the laws of physics, as inherent in your statement is the presupposition that the Big Bang came from nowhere, or that there was no Big Bang.

We don't know what the laws of physics were prior to or at the moment of the Big Bang, so applying the observations of present-day cosmology and the laws of physics to the problem of the genesis of the Big Bang is all but worthless.

Think that sounds suspiciously convenient? Now you know how non-theists feel about the "God did it" excuse.

 

[Autumnleaf]

The type that's stupid enough to respond to a troll.

If you want to find more people to mock God with, there are plenty of secular humanist websites that contain forums where you can do that. Unless, of course, you enjoy targetting a Christian website where you know Christians will see it.

Have a nice day.

I'm hoping Christians will engage people who think this way.

 

[Autumnleaf]

Do you think that you are smarter than Cthulhu, or are you equal to him in intelligence and wisdom? Make your case.


eudaimonia,

Mark

I find that the more humble I am the smarter I become.

 

[InigoMontoja]

We don't know what the laws of physics were prior to or at the moment of the Big Bang, so applying the observations of present-day cosmology and the laws of physics to the problem of the genesis of the Big Bang is all but worthless.

Think that sounds suspiciously convenient? Now you know how non-theists feel about the "God did it" excuse.

You say that if we do not know what happened to the Big Bang that we can assume that it came from nowhere. It is more reasonable to conclude that the Universe came from something and that it does not violate the simple laws of causation. Whatever that cause is, we call it God. You can debate Its nature, but its existence is very hard to deny.

 

[cantata]

You say that if we do not know what happened to the Big Bang that we can assume that it came from nowhere. It is more reasonable to conclude that the Universe came from something and that it does not violate the simple laws of causation. Whatever that cause is, we call it God. You can debate Its nature, but its existence is very hard to deny.

It's not necessary to conclude that it came from nowhere.

Although, I might add, current cosmologists are toying with idea that the random quantum events which occur even in a vacuum, given enough time, might have been behind the Big Bang.

 

[Belk]

Or do you think you are equal to him in intelligence and or wisdom? Make your case.

Heck ya I do! I totally kicked his butt on the home Jeopardy game last week!

 

[Washington]

This whole subforum is full of people who in one way or another seem to find fault with God. I offer them a thread to voice their opinions.

I don't see a necessary correlation between being smart and being a good guy. The Christian god may be the smartest thing in the universes, but this doesn't mean he can't be the cruelest thing in the universe. And because he is, he deserves every rap that's given him. Of course, if you contend that no smart god would be a cruel god, then actions do speak louder than descriptions and god would therefore not be as smart as would like to think.

However, as far as "mocking god," most of the mocking I see is of Christians who, despite the evidence of their god's cruelty, none the less cling to the notion he's a good god deserving of praise. And, even when the object of mocking is god, it's really the Christian version of god: what they've decided he's like and what he's done. Put it all together and it's not a pretty picture; both Christians and their god come off looking bad.

 

[Washington]

You say that if we do not know what happened to the Big Bang that we can assume that it came from nowhere.

That's a terrible interpretation of cantata's remark. Sheesh! Reading comprehension, man. Reading comprehension!

It is more reasonable to conclude that the Universe came from something and that it does not violate the simple laws of causation.

Yup.

Whatever that cause is, we call it God.

The "we" obviously being theists. No problem, but it hardly equates to a god with the properties laid on "him" by Christians---gender being one of them.

 

[Exhausted]

God isn't real- dividing by zero.

 

[Eudaimonist]

You say that if we do not know what happened to the Big Bang that we can assume that it came from nowhere. It is more reasonable to conclude that the Universe came from something and that it does not violate the simple laws of causation. Whatever that cause is, we call it God. You can debate Its nature, but its existence is very hard to deny.

If that cause was little different from natural causes that we are familiar with in our own universe, such as a collapsed star in some parent universe, I find it highly doubtful that you would still want to call this God.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[Mling]

I find that the more humble I am the smarter I become.

I completely agree.

 

[oneofthem]

I'm hoping Christians will engage people who think this way.

But what is the point of this?

Christians believe they are not smarter than God, because of the fact they believe in Him and because of who they believe He is.

Atheists believe they are smarter than God because they do not believe He exists.

I accept that not everyone believes or understands God as I do as a Christian, but what is the point of Christians and non-Christians arguing their opinions against eachother? (Or "engaging" as you call it?) The foundations of what we believe is not going to change, and no intelligent conversation between Christians and non-Christians can come from this.

So I put my belief forward as a Christian: "No, i do not believe i am smarter than God"

An atheist put's theirs forward "yes, i am more intelligent than a being that doesn't exist".

How is a Christian meant to respond to that?

I smell bait.

 

[oneofthem]

This whole subforum is full of people who in one way or another seem to find fault with God. I offer them a thread to voice their opinions.

And you have proven that this isn't really about getting Christians to engage with non-Christians on the "smartness of God", but rather, providing a soap box for people to whinge about the faults they find with God. You're free to do that here, but be upfront about your purpose of starting this in the first place.

 

[uberd00b]

Atheists believe they are smarter than God because they do not believe He exists.

I'm not sure that's true. I don't think it makes any sense to compare intelligence with something that doesn't exist. It's more likely people consider themselves smarter than God based on his actions as described by believers.