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Just like our whole supposedly Christianized society has a difficult time focusing on 1 Thessalonians 4:3-8.
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Dang sure can't get them to focus on 2 Corinthians 8: 13-15
Kids with rumbling bellies unsure when their next meal is going to come? Families driven from their homes into destitution because they were forced into bankruptcy trying to afford prescriptions/medical treatments that nobody pays any mind to anywhere else in the world? People dying left and right due to drug addictions caused by pharmaceutical malfeasance and lying in pursuit of the almighty dollar?
God's cool with all of that. He has His priorities straight. It's the self diddlers that really get His goat.
i'll say that while I understand the Biblical description of lust, I think that wanting your spouse sexually, being turned on by them, while that could be considered lustful, it is a natural feeling. It is a human feeling. Sometimes, I feel that sex is viewed as a bad thing always, when it comes to talking about lust from a Biblical sense.
It puts it into the "not a volitional act" category.
Say, you're sitting in your car at a red light and your brakes suddenly failed, allowing the car to jolt out and kill a child in the cross walk.
Is a dead child "OK?" Certainly not. But the incident is not your fault.
I view it as cheating for sure. My husband used to do it and have no problem with it (beginning of dating), but we had some very honest conversations about it and now are both of the understanding that in our relationship that is to be viewed as cheating.I post on a marriage forum, and one of the questions recently came up about inappropriate content use. Mainly these threads are geared towards men viewing inappropriate content, but there are a lot of women who view inappropriate content, also. I personally wouldn't view it as cheating, unless...there were live interactions, and/or a personal relationship ensued from interaction through webcam inappropriate content, or something. That said, I don't believe that this is something that ''all'' men struggle with, but our society would make it sound like women should just accept men doing this, and get over it. lol Really demeans men, doesn't it?
But, back to what I was saying, there are women who view inappropriate content...and so my question is to the men here...if your wife was privately viewing inappropriate content, and leaving you out of it, and ''taking care of herself'' without you around...would you view it as cheating? Would it bother you?
Just like our whole supposedly Christianized society has a difficult time focusing on 1 Thessalonians 4:3-8.
Sure. Going to be with God is never a bad thing.
It may make us sad, but the child has no complaints.
God is aware of the timing of everything.
What does God continually focus on, however?
Consistently, through the OT and the NT, God focuses on how nations have cared for their poor, for the widows and fatherless children.
When God compared Israel to Sodom, for instance, He didn't speak of Sodom's sexual perversion, He explicitly said it was their callousness to their poor for which He destroyed them.
Disagree.If she became aroused and had an [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse], then she has mentally, emotionally had sex with another man,
Covet... lust (self indulgent sexual sin)... he was very clear when he revealed the spirit behind the letter, the "intent" of the letter... to lust in the heart for another is no different than the physical act in God's eyes. You don't have to see it that way, but that is how God sees it. So how you would feel about your wife is one thing... how God feels about may or may not be another.I think that is misleading. The passage you mention (Matthew 5:27-28) is just a restatement of the 10th comandment, that you should not covet your neighbour's wife. In fact the Greek word tanslated as "lust" here is often equated with the Hebrew word used for "covet" in the 10th commandmend. So this is not a new idea. And we are told not to covet another man's wife because she is his possession. In other words we are not to seek after something that belongs to someone else. Modern marriages are not of this form - my wife is not my possession - but even if they were, seeking to steal someone's wife is very different from sexual attraction to a woman you see either in real life or on a screen. (Note that I am not saying lust is not a sin - I think it is - but that this verse is not quite what it is commonly interpreted to be.)
To answer the OP though, yes, I would be upset with my wife if she was doing what you describe, but I wouldn't regard it as cheating.
It's more than some guy self diddling, it's about what constitutes Cheating on a spouse, to say I personally don't like it but if my wife Husband do it, I'm cool with that, it's their choice......BFS!
When that becomes ok in a marriage, the one watching the inappropriate content is effectively leaving the Marriage for greener pastures.
1Co 7:2 Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.
1Co 7:3 Let the husband render unto the wife due benevolence: and likewise also the wife unto the husband.
1Co 7:4 The wife hath not power of her own body, but the husband: and likewise also the husband hath not power of his own body, but the wife.
1Co 7:5 Defraud ye not one the other, except it be with consent for a time, that ye may give yourselves to fasting and prayer; and come together again, that Satan tempt you not for your incontinency.
In Marriage we take a VOW, to our perspective spouse, and to God, have we as Christians forgotten what a Vow is and means to God?
Num. 30:2
If a man vow a vow unto the LORD, or swear an oath to bind his soul with a bond; he shall not break his word, he shall do according to all that proceedeth out of his mouth.
Deu. 23:21
When thou shalt vow a vow unto the LORD thy God, thou shalt not slack to pay it: for the LORD thy God will surely require it of thee; and it would be sin in thee.
Ecc. 5:4,5
4) When thou vowest a vow unto God, defer not to pay it; for he hath no pleasure in fools: pay that which thou hast vowed.
5) Better is it that thou shouldest not vow, than that thou shouldest vow and not pay.
Covet... lust (self indulgent sexual sin)... he was very clear when he revealed the spirit behind the letter, the "intent" of the letter... to lust in the heart for another is no different than the physical act in God's eyes. You don't have to see it that way, but that is how God sees it. So how you would feel about your wife is one thing... how God feels about may or may not be another.
That's where these conversations start getting a little wonky to me.
It's like you're arguing that I'm saying sexual immorality is ok and needing to prove it to me. But that's not my point at all...lol
What I'm saying is that there are a litany of things in this world that are evil and wrong...and that people pick and choose what they decide to focus upon. For the most part - it seems to me that the Church chooses to focus primarily on sexual stuff - often at the sacrifice of everything else.
We don't need to agree. But there are many instances where he reveals the spirit behind the letter or the intent of the law. For example, is it only murder when you kill another with intent? No, to hate your brother is to have already killed him. See, the same type of scenario he gave with adultery. The point Jon, is simple... he is revealing why we need the law written on our hearts. I can show you where God gave Israel the Torah and commanded them to keep it on their own hearts. They failed, we fail... and as part of the covenant we are part of, God will write the law Himself where we couldn't keep it... on our minds and hearts. That work has begun, it will be completed when HE comes, and when that work is done, we will be incorruptible, unable to sin again. That is the point he was sharing... no matter how well we obey, the heart will still betray us.Well, I don't think that is true. I don't think that is the point he was making. Jesus was saying that the intent to commit a sin already damns us, and the implication is that this is true for all sins. He is using the 10th commandment as an example. But looking at a woman lustfully is not a violation of the 10th commandment because there is (normally) no intent to steal her away from her husband.
Yeah - I agree.What I'm saying is that there are a litany of things in this world that are evil and wrong...and that people pick and choose what they decide to focus upon. For the most part - it seems to me that the Church chooses to focus primarily on sexual stuff - often at the sacrifice of everything else.
Hating him IS the intent.For example, is it only murder when you kill another with intent? No, to hate your brother is to have already killed him.
Hating him IS the intent.
If you kill him accidentally, it is NOT murder. No intent.
Of course... if you hate him and then go to him with the intent to kill him (you look at him, raise the gun, and deliberately fire) you both killed him in your heart and in the flesh. But if you hate him and don't take his life... you still have committed murder in the heart which to God is still murder and one of the many reason why we need to be changed.Hating him IS the intent.
If you kill him accidentally, it is NOT murder. No intent.
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