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Do you think that the story of Adam and Eve literally happened?

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The Barbarian

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The bread and wine at the last supper was real, as well as being symbolic of Christ's sacrifice.

Luke 22:19 And taking bread, he gave thanks, and brake; and gave to them, saying: This is my body, which is given for you. Do this for a commemoration of me. [20] In like manner the chalice also, after he had supped, saying: This is the chalice, the new testament in my blood, which shall be shed for you.

He didn't say "this is symbolic of my body and blood."

Christians, during the persecutions, were accused of cannibalism, and went to their deaths, rather than recant what they believed; the real presence of His body and blood in the Eucharist.
 
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Of course they were real. And the story is real, just told in the form of an allegory.

They came from other humans who were not given living souls directly by God. When that happened is not known, nor is it important.
If we don;t know, just make something up. I suppose God chuckles at that : )
 
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Of course they were real. And the story is real, just told in the form of an allegory.

They came from other humans who were not given living souls directly by God. When that happened is not known, nor is it important.

Sounds like you made that up. I'm gonna trust what God's word says and not man.
 
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Luke 22:19 And taking bread, he gave thanks, and brake; and gave to them, saying: This is my body, which is given for you. Do this for a commemoration of me. [20] In like manner the chalice also, after he had supped, saying: This is the chalice, the new testament in my blood, which shall be shed for you.

He didn't say "this is symbolic of my body and blood."

Christians, during the persecutions, were accused of cannibalism, and went to their deaths, rather than recant what they believed; the real presence of His body and blood in the Eucharist.
Even when something is obvious, we still make something up!!! Bah humbug to literal ism, the biggest stumbling block to theology.
 
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Christians, during the persecutions, were accused of cannibalism, and went to their deaths, rather than recant what they believed; the real presence of His body and blood in the Eucharist.

Even when something is obvious, we still make something up!!! Bah humbug to literal ism, the biggest stumbling block to theology.

I wasn't accusing anyone today of that. It's merely a doctrinal disagreement, now.
 
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The Barbarian said:
Of course they were real. And the story is real, just told in the form of an allegory.

They came from other humans who were not given living souls directly by God. When that happened is not known, nor is it important.

Sounds like you made that up.

It's scriptural. Adam and Eve were real people, the first two to be given living souls directly by God, as the Bible says. It doesn't matter when it happened.

I'm gonna trust what God's word says

Then believe it.
 
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If we don;t know, just make something up. I suppose God chuckles at that : )

It really doesn't matter. For all God cares, you can be a YE creationist. It's not how He's going to judge you.
 
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Because no talking snakes and magic fruits have ever been observed by science as far as I'm aware.
Science could not have observed it. Science is a matter of discovery by making use of sense knowledge and experimentation. But all that anyone knew of came from God teaching Adam and Eve. For instance.. Adam used leaves to cover his nakedness.. he didn't even know how to kill an animal to make coverings out of the fur.

In the same way that it's said that the antichrist will be completely possessed by the devil, to speak the devil's words.. then with that in mind it could be possible for the devil to walk and talk through the snake. With the understanding that it was later that the snake became a creature that slithered on it's belly and had a split tongue.
We can only imagine how different that snake animal was before it was transformed. For all that we know it could've looked like an upright creature with arms and legs. Perhaps it had a physical capability to talk to begin with. But it perhaps didn't have the level of cunning to achieve it on it's own.

So in order to get into the garden in disguise the devil lied to it as well. Probably told the creature that if it let the devil use it, that it would be wiser than it had been created to be. That is after all what the devil thought that he had achieved by disobeying God and his own status, he made himself free from God's rules. And so he set about to make himself better than he'd been created to be. He set out to get the authority away that God had given to Adam and Eve.. and thereby rule over all that's in the created heavens and earth. That authority reached up to but did not include the throne of God nor the actual habitation of God's heaven.

Satan visited there again when talking to God about Job.

As for the fruit on the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. The fruit wasn't magic. It was just fruit on the tree. Like fruit on any tree that we know of. Eve looked at the fruit. It looked good to eat. It was the devil that told her that she'd be wise if she ate it. The devil lied because he wanted them to disobey God when He told them not to eat from that tree.

Not eating from that tree is similar to tything in setting aside money to give to God instead of using it to go and buy some groceries.

It was the disobedience that caused the problem. There wasn't anything bad in the fruit. Eating it had not caused them to be subject to eventual death. The apple had not changed their nature from pure to sinful.

So, the tree was called the knowledge of good and evil. By their choices there was revealed the evil of the devil and the evil of their disobedience. If they'd obeyed God then that choice would've revealed their good which would have confirmed God's goodness working through them.
 
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As for the fruit on the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. The fruit wasn't magic. It was just fruit on the tree. Like fruit on any tree that we know of. Eve looked at the fruit. It looked good to eat. It was the devil that told her that she'd be wise if she ate it. The devil lied because he wanted them to disobey God when He told them not to eat from that tree.

More specifically, the serpent told them that they would be like God, if they ate it. And this was true, as God later confirms:

Genesis 3:22 And he said: Behold Adam is become as one of us, knowing good and evil:

The serpent (which was in the Middle East at that time, the symbol of both wisdom and immortality) tempted them to be like God. But instead of a prize, it was a curse. Satan is most adept at using the truth to deceive.
 
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Luke 22:19 And taking bread, he gave thanks, and brake; and gave to them, saying: This is my body, which is given for you. Do this for a commemoration of me. [20] In like manner the chalice also, after he had supped, saying: This is the chalice, the new testament in my blood, which shall be shed for you.

He didn't say "this is symbolic of my body and blood."

Christians, during the persecutions, were accused of cannibalism, and went to their deaths, rather than recant what they believed; the real presence of His body and blood in the Eucharist.
That might have been a bad example, my point was that something can have a symbolic or allegorical meaning in addition to being something that does occur or has occurred.
 
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Because no talking snakes and magic fruits have ever been observed by science as far as I'm aware.
So you place the natural sciences above the supernatural.
But the natural sciences can not say a thing about the things outside their scientific paradigm.
But it's typical western European to have the legs sawed off from under our beliefs..
 
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No, the text itself tells us that it's not a literal history. As Christians over a thousand years ago pointed out, you can't have mornings and evenings with no sun to have them.
As Christians have long pointed out in response to that, and I myself have pointed out to you in a previous discussion, if God can create the entire universe, then he can create light directly instead of creating the sun as a source of light. The earth was rotating, God made light from day one, so there were mornings and evenings without the sun.
 
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So the tree of life symbolizing Christ doesn't mean there was no actual tree of life.
Good point but if we miss the point of the tree being symbolic of Christ (as most do) we are unable to understand the meaning of the tree of good and evil the snake, the mark of Cain and the profuse use of this type of language throughout the scripture. This is why I think literal-ism is one of the greatest enemies of theology.
 
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if God can create the entire universe, then he can create light directly instead of creating the sun as a source of light. The earth was rotating, God made light from day one, so there were mornings and evenings without the sun.
Possibly but when we connect the dots of what we see in creation with scripture saying observing creation is one of the main ways we can know God and scripture saying the seventh day is ongoing (Hebrews 3 & 4) I have a different picture.
 
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Satan was controlling the snake. Who was the serpent? - creation.com and nobody believes in any 'magic fruit'.
Magic may not be the best word we could use to describe a tree we could eat from and live forever but Christ is the only "tree" I know of that I can eat from and live forever. That being nothing short of miraculous and that is not the proper word either because it happens all day every day.
 
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Satan was controlling the snake. Who was the serpent? - creation.com and nobody believes in any 'magic fruit'.
The word satan means tempter, adversary, accuser, the only one I know of who does these things to me is my own fleshly nature or some other fleshly person, think about it, the only one or the main one who walks to and fro on this earth trying to destroy me is me. We really are our own worst enemy.
 
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Because no talking snakes and magic fruits have ever been observed by science as far as I'm aware.

Revelation 12:9 tells us who that 'snake' actually was, showing that it was a euphemism. Have you not read it?
 
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