Do you think King Saul went to heaven or hell?

[Sammy-San]

I assume King Saul went to hell, because he died for consulting a witch, and theres no bibical evidence he repented.

 

[Messy]

Interesting. I Always thought he went to heaven because it says he was gathered to his forefathers. I thought they all went to heaven when they were in the covenant.

 

[dragongunner]

Doesn't look good for King Solomon either, the wisest man on earth. Didn't see that coming.

 

[BryanW92]

I assume King Saul went to hell, because he died for consulting a witch, and theres no bibical evidence he repented.

There's a lot more to it than the over-simplified "fail to repent for everything and you go to hell" formula.

 

[Messy]

I think he went to Paradise to be with Samuel:

"Moreover the LORD will also deliver Israel with thee into the hand of the Philistines: and tomorrow shalt thou and thy sons be with me: the LORD also shall deliver the host of Israel into the hand of the Philistines

 

[Sammy-San]

There's a lot more to it than the over-simplified "fail to repent for everything and you go to hell" formula.

What makes you think Saul may have gone to heaven?

 

[1watchman]

Just because an Israelite went to his forefathers, does not mean that one is in Heaven. Many of them are in Hades, condemned and awaiting the Great White Throne to come. The faithful saints of the OT are in Heaven. It is not profitable to speculate about what we are not told.

 

[Messy]

Just because an Israelite went to his forefathers, does not mean that one is in Heaven. Many of them are in Hades, condemned and awaiting the Great White Throne to come. The faithful saints of the OT are in Heaven. It is not profitable to speculate about what we are not told.

Yes but Samuel said he would be with him, so not on the other side where he couldn't come, like with Lazarus and the rich man I think. Samuel warned him that the next day he would die, so he could have said sorry in the meantime.

 

[BryanW92]

What makes you think Saul may have gone to heaven?

I think that he went to wherever Old Testament Jews went when they died. I know this: none of them perfectly obeyed the Law and none of them knew Jesus as their Lord and Savior. So, by the American Christian standard, they are all burning in Hell right now. But, they the Evangelical standard that Jews are special, they probably are in Heaven right now.

The thing is that it doesn't matter to us. We live in AD. We're not Jews. We have Jesus, his sacrifice and his perfect life. I worry more about people living now than people who lived thousands of years ago. Their fate is settled. Our neighbors' fates are still being decided (unless you're Calvinist and then their fates are settled too).

 

[Sammy-San]

I think that he went to wherever Old Testament Jews went when they died. I know this: none of them perfectly obeyed the Law and none of them knew Jesus as their Lord and Savior. So, by the American Christian standard, they are all burning in Hell right now. But, they the Evangelical standard that Jews are special, they probably are in Heaven right now.

The thing is that it doesn't matter to us. We live in AD. We're not Jews. We have Jesus, his sacrifice and his perfect life. I worry more about people living now than people who lived thousands of years ago. Their fate is settled. Our neighbors' fates are still being decided (unless you're Calvinist and then their fates are settled too).

King Saul not only committed suicide, but consulted a witch, was a murderer who had his soldiers kill priests, etc. What makes you think he went to heaven?

 

[BryanW92]

King Saul not only committed suicide, but consulted a witch, was a murderer who had his soldiers kill priests, etc. What makes you think he went to heaven?

I don't think he went to heaven.

I don't think he went to hell.

I do know that it doesn't matter to us one bit because we live in a different era, under a different covenant. We have a Savior and a Great Counselor that he did not have.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

he did get put in a grave. 'sheol' i think it's called in an ancient language.

he, specifically him, did not get out of the grave yet. did he?

from Berean's website,
"Sheol is found in the Bible sixty-five times. It is translated “the pit” three times, “the grave” thirty-one times, and “hell” thirty-one times."

 

[Sammy-San]

I don't think he went to heaven.

I don't think he went to hell.

I do know that it doesn't matter to us one bit because we live in a different era, under a different covenant. We have a Savior and a Great Counselor that he did not have.

People went to heaven and hell in the Old Covenant. How else do you explain Jesus taking the souls of the OT saints to heaven?

 

[BryanW92]

People went to heaven and hell in the Old Covenant. How else do you explain Jesus taking the souls of the OT saints to heaven?

I'm not saying that they didn't. I'm saying that no one on this board lived in a time before the Holy Spirit was given to us and that trying to create a formula for who went to hell (i.e. if he did this, he went to hell) is non-productive and possibly a means of deceiving people today.

 

[Sammy-San]

I'm not saying that they didn't. I'm saying that no one on this board lived in a time before the Holy Spirit was given to us and that trying to create a formula for who went to hell (i.e. if he did this, he went to hell) is non-productive and possibly a means of deceiving people today.

How do you know there was no formula for who went to heaven back then? The Old Testament saints went to heaven because they trusted in the coming messiah.

 

[BryanW92]

How do you know there was no formula for who went to heaven back then? The Old Testament saints went to heaven because they trusted in the coming messiah.

OK. What is the formula? I assume that you have found it in the bible and can show the scripture to prove it.

 

[Sammy-San]

OK. What is the formula? I assume that you have found it in the bible and can show the scripture to prove it.

Romans 4.

What then shall we say was gained by Abraham, tour forefather according to the flesh? For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but unto before God. For what does the Scripture say? "Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness".

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

don't explain it. try all you want to find it !

(in Scripture/ Torah, NOT in tradition/man's stories)

People went to heaven and hell in the Old Covenant. How else do you explain Jesus taking the souls of the OT saints to heaven?

 

[BryanW92]

Romans 4.

What then shall we say was gained by Abraham, tour forefather according to the flesh? For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but unto before God. For what does the Scripture say? "Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness".

Does it say "perfect righteousness"? Perfection is God's standard. Lots of people believe God, but it still takes the sacrifice and perfect life of Jesus to save them.

 

[Sammy-San]

don't explain it. try all you want to find it !

(in Scripture/ Torah, NOT in tradition/man's stories)

Where does the Old Testament say they werent prophets? The OT doesnt have a list of whos a prophet or not.