Do you need a miracle?

[JohnR7]

I have a questoin. Does evolution take into consideration the miracle power of God? Let me give you a nonexclusive example. Look at Darwin's Finches. It is believed when the islands were formed that a wind came along and blew the Finches out to the islands from the mainland. Now does the theory of evolution allow it to be possible that maybe God or an "intellegent designer" caused that wind to blow those finches out to those islands. Do they really think that things like this happen all by themselves, without any intervention from God?

If you think that things like this "just happen" without God being a part of it, then do not be surprised if people consider evolution to be atheistic. Because that is exactly what it would be, if God was not in some way a part of the equation. Even IF the universe were a big wind up toy, and God set it all up from the very beginning and He is just letting it play itself out. Although most christians do believe that God takes a active part in daily events. So that creation or if you want "evolution" is a on going project for Him. In fact some people believe that God is a part of every tiny little intricate detail. So as to cause all things to work out according to His plan and purpose.

 

[Logic]

The whole point of science is to provide explainations for things without involving the supernatural. If you factor God into the equation, it's no longer science, but religion, there's nothing that you can't explain with "God did it." I don't know why the wind that blew the finches to different islands would be any different than any other wind, I guess you could consider wind to be an agent of God, but there's also a natural explaination. The reason people equate evolution with atheism (especially anti-bible) is because it describes the diversification in a way completely different from genesis' account.

 

[einstein314emc2]

How do you define miracle?
One of my favorite columns from my favorite magazine:

Skeptic
I'd write something myself, but I'm tired and have done enough thinking for one day.

 

[JohnR7]

How do you define miracle?

We define it in terms of healing. In divine healing God uses the natural healing process of the body. Like a Great Physician, He may remove the problem that is causing the disease, but then He will allow the body to heal itself, using it's own natural healing processes. When it comes to a miracle, He will heal the body in a way that it simply could not heal itself, using what is currently known about the natural healing of the body. This usually takes the form of a reconstructive miracles. One example would be if you had nerve damage resulting in hearing loss. Nerves are not known to be able to regenerate themselves in this way, so we would refer to this as a reconstruction miracle.

The hindu religion believe that some people have a power or an energy in them, that can promote healing in others. There is a expensive camera they can use, where you can photograph this energy in people who are known to be able to promote healing in others. Actually, now that I think about it, I have a photograph where this energy was picked up by a regular slr camera using 35 mm film. They sent it to Rome and the Catholic Church did authenticate it. Someone who does not know anything about photography may try to explain it as some sort of ambient light. But we know that this is not the case. In fact I have a $500 light meter that does a very good job of measuring ambient light.

 

[Jet Black]

Someone who does not know anything about photography may try to explain it as some sort of ambilivent light. But we know that this is not the case. In fact I have a $500 light meter that does a very good job of measuring ambilivent light.

you've been ripped off john, light is never [size=-1] uncertain or unable to decide about what course to follow, it travels in straight lines. always. (of course you mean ambient light)
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[JohnR7]

I guess you could consider wind to be an agent of God, but there's also a natural explaination.

You only have a natural explaination if you can demonstrate that the wind really could have gotten those finches to Darwin's islands. Untell you can demonstrate that, then our explaination that "God did it" by sending a special wind, is just as valid as your theory that a natural trade wind or a natural weather pattern is responsable for what took place.

 

[JohnR7]

[size=-1] (of course you mean ambient light)
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Ops, I did look that up in the dictionary, I do not know what went wrong there.

you've been ripped off john

I may have gotten more meter than what I needed. But Minolta makes a good light meter. I do not know of anyone that makes a better meter for photography. Although I am sure a less expensive one would have done what I need it to do right now. I was concerned about what I may need a meter to do at some point in the future.