Do you have to keep confessing sin through out your life to be saved? (See 1 John 1:9)

DeeR. · Nov 20, 2018

ToBeLoved said:
All saved believers go through the process of sanctification throughout their life time.

Sanctification has little to do with salvation. Sanctification is more related to obedience.

Very true. It is the rewards issue or level of service.

Bible Highlighter · Nov 20, 2018

BCsenior said:
C'mon, which set of verses?

You are being very demanding. I believe we as Christians should be more gentile, kind, and not demanding (as if we can command others). Remember, Jesus says the greatest among you serves. You also have to be reasonable, too. There are too many OSAS proof texts to list here with an explanation to refute them.

I have explained away just about every so called Eternal Security proof texts out there over many years. Give me one verse and I can explain it. This explanation can be lengthy in some cases. Hence, when you ask for a set of verses that is like asking for multiple threads to be made. I can talk for an entire thread against one OSAS proof text, friend.

In any event, may God bless you.

BCsenior · Nov 21, 2018

Jason0047 said:
You are being very demanding.
There are too many OSAS proof texts to list here with an explanation to refute them.

I'm sorry, if I misunderstood you!
I had mentioned there were 2 sets of verses.
And you replied talking about 1 set.
I just wanted to know which set you were referring to.

Bible Highlighter · Nov 21, 2018

BCsenior said:
I'm sorry, if I misunderstood you!
I had mentioned there were 2 sets of verses.
And you replied talking about 1 set.
I just wanted to know which set you were referring to.

Here are 101 verses that supposedly prove Eternal Security.

101 Reasons for Eternal Security.

I am sure I can refute every single one of them with no problem, and many of them I probably have refuted over the 7 years of discussion against Eternal Security.

Eternal Security is false because it makes light of sin and can make someone think they can sin and still be saved on some level. Many think you can commit suicide or be saved, or they think King David was saved in his sins of adultery and murder or they think confession of sin is only for the purpose of restoring fellowship with God and it is not talking about forgiving sins for salvation. A person has to change or ignore so many other verses in the Bible that teach that after we are saved by God's grace, Sanctification (i.e. works of faith, or holy living, or obedience to the commands in the New Testament) plays a part in the salvation process, too.

Bible Highlighter · Nov 21, 2018

Let's look at the first one on their list.

John 5:24: “Verily, verily, I say unto you, he that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”

It's kind of silly. The first verse they quote actually refutes what they believe. He that hears (obeys) my word and believes on Him (GOD the Father) that sent me, has everlasting life. Note: Yes, we must first believe in Jesus for salvation to begin with (obviously). I think in this verse here that we are also to acknowledge that we should have faith in GOD the Father, too (Who is a part of the Holy Trinity - 1 John 5:7, i.e. the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost). If we were to skip down to verse 29, we would also read the necessity of doing good as a part of salvation, as well. For John 5:29 says, "And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation."

As for... "He that heareth my word" in John 5:24. We see a similar thing in John 8:47 that says:

"He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God." (John 8:47).

The whole context leading up to John 8 is in reference to obedience.

Jesus says in John 8:44 to the Jews,
"Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do."

John says a similar thing.

1 John 3:8 says he that commits sin is of the devil.

1 John 3:10 says,

"In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother."

Bible Highlighter · Nov 21, 2018

The topic of this thread is kind of related to the problem of OSAS, but more specifically it dealing with the problem of thinking that confessing grievous sins is not for salvation. 1 John 1:9 deals with confessing sins so we can be forgiven of sin in regards to our right standing with God. Granted, I do not believe a Christian will be in a constant state of confessing their sins every week (mind you) their whole life. A true faithful Christian will learn to overcome their sin in time and they will not seek to justify sin (By saying things like how nobody can stop committing sin or that they are sinners saved by grace). Granted, I am not talking about "Sinless Perfectionism" (Which I do believe, but we are not allowed to talk about that topic in this section of the forums, so I created a thread here in a section of the forums where it is allowed), but I am talking about how a Christian can and must overcome grievous sin (that leads to spiritual death). While Christians should confess and obey even minor commands of God, minor faults or transgressions or sins that do not lead to death are not a salvation issue.

Neogaia777 · Nov 25, 2018

Jason0047 said:
The topic of this thread is kind of related to the problem of OSAS, but more specifically it dealing with the problem of thinking that confessing grievous sins is not for salvation. 1 John 1:9 deals with confessing sins so we can be forgiven of sin in regards to our right standing with God. Granted, I do not believe a Christian will be in a constant state of confessing their sins every week (mind you) their whole life. A true faithful Christian will learn to overcome their sin in time and they will not seek to justify sin (By saying things like how nobody can stop committing sin or that they are sinners saved by grace). Granted, I am not talking about "Sinless Perfectionism" (Which I do believe, but we are not allowed to talk about that topic in this section of the forums, so I created a thread here in a section of the forums where it is allowed), but I am talking about how a Christian can and must overcome grievous sin (that leads to spiritual death). While Christians should confess and obey even minor commands of God, minor faults or transgressions or sins that do not lead to death are not a salvation issue.

The problem here Jason is motives, and motivations and intent or intentions behind what you and many others like you are saying and/or doing and/or are trying to do (on here and in the world)...

Cause it sounds like, or as if your trying to "separate yourself from others all by yourself, and because of and for yourself, and not God doing it" at all...

So, or/and also so, "you can justify yourself, by yourself, and because of and for yourself, and not God, and not for others", ect, ect...

I suspect it is really all "about you and not God or others" at all...

And that is not good at all, and nothing good ever comes of it either, if these are your reasons and/or motives/intent or intentions, ect...

It's all about you, you justifying yourself (and your "supposedly lesser than others", sins) you trying to declare yourself righteous, without God or apart from God, ect, "you separating yourself" from others, for impure motivations/reasons, ect...

Which I would call "sinful" and even "very sinful" BTW... And you either can't see or do not want to see that, or refuse to see that... You don't see that Jason...?

I suspect you do see it and/or are even feeling it, but are denying and/or rejecting it at this point, maybe because you just can't handle or take it, or stomach it, or "whatever" (fear maybe)... And/or because, whatever "it" is, it's not good, or Holy, or pure, or very righteous at all (self-righteous maybe, which is the worst kind of sin)...

Surely you can see that by now, so what's the problem here...?

And please consider whether it is you or not, K...? "Search your heart and see", (is all I ask)...

God Bless!

Neogaia777 · Nov 25, 2018

@Jason0047 This is not a personal attack Jason, nor is it even a rebuke, it's just "truth", and I don't hate you or others like you Jason, I just want you to open your eyes and ears and see and hear, and be receptive to the truth and not be denying and/or rejecting the "truth" is all...

Search you heart (or your true motives, motivations, reasons and intent(s)) and do not reject what you might find or see, is all I ask...

And if it's not good, "change it" (is all I ask)...

God Bless!

mark kennedy · Nov 25, 2018

Jason0047 said:
The topic of this thread is kind of related to the problem of OSAS, but more specifically it dealing with the problem of thinking that confessing grievous sins is not for salvation. 1 John 1:9 deals with confessing sins so we can be forgiven of sin in regards to our right standing with God. Granted, I do not believe a Christian will be in a constant state of confessing their sins every week (mind you) their whole life. A true faithful Christian will learn to overcome their sin in time and they will not seek to justify sin (By saying things like how nobody can stop committing sin or that they are sinners saved by grace). Granted, I am not talking about "Sinless Perfectionism" (Which I do believe, but we are not allowed to talk about that topic in this section of the forums, so I created a thread here in a section of the forums where it is allowed), but I am talking about how a Christian can and must overcome grievous sin (that leads to spiritual death). While Christians should confess and obey even minor commands of God, minor faults or transgressions or sins that do not lead to death are not a salvation issue.

You will find very few Christians that do not confess their sin, privately and doctrinally, the gospel is predicated on it. Confessing your sin is not a chore, it's something that proceeds naturally from conviction for sin. You have never dealt with the question of original sin or even the New Testament witness regarding how sin is universal and the Christians after conversion will still struggle with the old nature. You have a one dimensional theology, if you sin your salvation is in jeopardy. Of course there is a long history of debate on the issue of whether or not salvation can be lost but you don't really make a substantive argument. When faced with the real issues you simply stop, rinse, repeat what is little more then a mantra. I'll tell you what I really think, I don't think you have that much interest in the Bible and Theology at all. I think your just trifling with Christian sensibilities.

I've seen your arguments fall helpless before the clear testimony of Scripture. There are verses you won't touch with a ten foot pole and I know why, you have no answer for them.

BCsenior · Nov 26, 2018

mark kennedy said:
Of course there is a long history of debate on the issue of whether or not salvation can be lost ...

What do you think of the NT verses which teach
against eternal security in this thread? ...
Some of the best NT verses threatening loss of salvation

SkyWriting · Nov 26, 2018

Jason0047 said:
This is not true.
Repentance is for salvation.

Jesus said,
"I tell you, No; But, except you repent,
you shall all likewise perish."
(Luke 13:3).

As for defining repentance:

Well, here is my...

Biblical Case For Repentance:

At the heart, I believe the Bible teaches that repentance means, "Asking God for forgiveness" (Which of course naturally then leads to the "fruits of repentance", i.e. obedience to the Lord):

Important Note: While I may believe "Repentance" does involve to a certain degree a "change of mind" (like a person changing their mind about their old life of sin), I do not think "Repentance" exclusively means a “change of mind.”

Anyways, here are my ten points using Scripture showing that "repentance" means "asking God for forgiveness of sin."

#1. Acts 2:38,
The New Living Translation says in Acts 2:38 to "repent of your sins."
Douay Reheims says in Acts 2:38 to "Do penance."
New Life Version says in Acts 2:38 to "Be sorry for your sins"

#2. Luke 17:3 says, "Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him." This doesn't make any sense if "repent" means believe in Jesus (as some teach) or to have a change of mind about sin (as others teach) or to exclusively forsake sin. Yes, we are to forsake sin as a part of repentance but that comes later after repentance (Which is to ask God for forgiveness of our sin). For how can we reconcile with a brother if we do not say we are sorry vs. just going on about life as if we did nothing wrong?

#3. Jesus said in Matthew 12:41 that the Ninevites will rise up in Judgment against this generation because they repented at the preaching of Jonah. If you were to turn to Jonah chapter 3, you would be able to see in Jonah 3:6-10 that the King of the Ninevites had told his people to:

(a) Cry out to God (i.e. Repentance) (See Jonah 3:8).
(b) Turn from their sins or evil ways (i.e. The Natural Fruits of Repentance).

#4. Matthew 3:6 (which then lines up with Matthew 3:8). Also, in Mark 1:4-5, it says John preached the "baptism of repentance" for the remission of sins (verse 4), and it then defines this "baptism of repentance" by saying they confessed their sins when they were baptized (verse 5).

#5. We see in Acts of the Apostles 8:22 a clear example of Peter telling Simon to "repent" of his wickedness in trying to pay for the Holy Spirit. Peter is telling Simon to make a prayer towards God. For Peter says that he should pray that God might forgive him. In other words, Peter is telling Simon to repent of a one time event of wickedness by way of prayer to GOD. This only makes sense if "repent" means to "ask for forgiveness."

#6. Ezekiel 14:6 says,
"Repent, and turn yourselves from your idols;" Repent makes the most sense here if a person is asking God for forgiveness by way of prayer instead of a person just believing in God. Naturally a person believes in God as their Savior if they are planning on forsaking their idols.

#7. We see repentance is the topic of discussion in Luke 15 (Luke 15:6) (Luke 15:10); This is then followed up by the "Parable of the Prodigal Son" with the son desiring to be reconciled with his father. We learn the WAY the Prodigal Son desired to be reconciled with his father when he said,

"I will arise and go to my father, and will say unto him, Father, I have sinned against heaven, and before thee, And am no more worthy to be called thy son: make me as one of thy hired servants." (Luke 15:18-19).

In other words, the Prodigal Son was seeking forgiveness. This ties into the point of repentance in Luke 15:6 and Luke 15:10.

#8. Luke 10:13 says,
"Woe unto thee, Chorazin! woe unto thee, Bethsaida! for if the mighty works had been done in Tyre and Sidon, which have been done in you, they had a great while ago repented, sitting in sackcloth and ashes." This rules out the theory that repentance is exclusively forsaking sin. Granted, forsaking sin always follow true repentance (Asking God for forgiveness of one's sins) but forsaking sin is not repentance. The word "repented" here is describing a one time event because they "repented", sitting in sackcloth and ashes. In Jonah 3:6 we learn that the King of Nineveh sat in sackcloth and ashes. In Jonah 3:8, the King of Nineveh tells people to put on sackcloth, and cry mightily unto God (i.e. repentance): and then turn from their evil way (i.e. the fruits of repentance).

#9. John the Baptist says we are to bring forth fruits worthy of repentance (Luke 3:8). Fruits are deeds (or obedience to God). How can repentance be the same thing as the fruit? Is the fruit the same thing as the tree?

#10. Jeremiah 8:6 says, "I hearkened and heard, but they spake not aright: no man repented him of his wickedness, saying, What have I done? every one turned to his course, as the horse rusheth into the battle." Here we see the word "repented of wickedness" tied with the words, "What have I done?" This is an acknowledgement of one's sin to God as a part of asking His forgiveness.

Notable Additional Verses that Deal with Repentance
(But They Do Not Use The Word "Repent" or "Repentance"):

"For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved." (Romans 10:13).

13 "And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted. (Luke 18:13-14).

Proverbs 28:13 says whosoever confesses and forsakes sin shall have mercy.

Repentance is because of salvation which follows faith.

SkyWriting · Nov 26, 2018

BCsenior said:
What do you think of the NT verses which teach against eternal security in this thread? ...
Some of the best NT verses threatening loss of salvation

Faith always wins. Those without faith give up their "good deeds."

So when you watch a priest take a boy into
the back room, the priest never had Faith in God.
He doesn't "loose" his salvation. And his good deeds
were certainly not to his credit on some balance scale.

Neogaia777 · Nov 26, 2018

SkyWriting said:
Repentance is because of salvation which follows faith.

Does repentance follow salvation...? And if so, is it required or is it a requirement for salvation, in every single case, or not...? Or does it depend on your attitude to and toward God and others, especially in the judgment, whether your proud or humble or not, in every single case...? or not...?

Or maybe not always, in every single case, but maybe sometimes in some cases, or what...?

And is anything, anything at all, a "requirement for salvation", something we have to or must do, in any or all cases, or not....?

And if so, is that because we must do some things, and it's not all completely God, but some of it is us...? And, if so, what would that, or those "requirements of something we must choose to and/or do", "be"...?

And if there "are any requirements on our part", is it the same for everyone across the board, or is each one maybe going to judged each on a single individual, case by case basis, with more maybe being required for some, and not so much, or as much for others, ect...?

God Bless!

BCsenior · Nov 26, 2018

Neogaia777 said:
Does repentance follow salvation...? And if so, is it required, or is it a requirement for salvation in every single case?

Yes, a lifestyle of repentance is having
the correct and acceptable heart attitude!
This is a major part in practicing righteousness,
so one will be living righteously in God's eyes!
Please study 1 John 1:7-9 and 2 Corinthians 7:8-10.

Neogaia777 · Nov 26, 2018

BCsenior said:
Yes, a lifestyle of repentance is to have the correct
and acceptable heart attitude towards God.
This is a major part in practicing righteousness,
so one will be living righteously in God's eyes.
Please study 1 John 1:7-9 and 2 Corinthians 7:8-10.

By lifestyle of repentance, do you mean a lifetime of repentance...?

God Bless!

BCsenior · Nov 26, 2018

Neogaia777 said:
By lifestyle of repentance, do you mean a lifetime of repentance...?

Yes, when you slip up and sin, you really are sorry,
and you really never ever want to do it again!

Neogaia777 · Nov 26, 2018

BCsenior said:
Yes, when you slip up and sin, you really are sorry,
and you really never ever want to do it again!

Yet sometimes and many times we do slip up again and again, even for the born again believer who is trying and doing their best...

So, is a "lifestyle of repentance", a "lifetime of repentance", or always having a humble, repentant heart and/or attitude, (about and over (your own) sins, being 100% completely honest about that or those sins and your own sin) and that is what it is really of is the most important, or what...?

God Bless!

Bible Highlighter · Nov 26, 2018

SkyWriting said:
Repentance is because of salvation which follows faith.

Mang today do not even know what repentance means.

A Biblical Case For Repentance:

At the heart, I believe the Bible teaches that repentance means, "Asking God for forgiveness" (Which of course naturally then leads to the "fruits of repentance", i.e. obedience to the Lord):

Important Note: While I may believe "Repentance" does involve to a certain degree a "change of mind" (like a person changing their mind about their old life of sin), I do not think "Repentance" exclusively means a “change of mind.”

Anyways, here are my ten points using Scripture showing that "repentance" means "asking God for forgiveness of sin."

#1. Acts 2:38,
The New Living Translation says in Acts 2:38 to "repent of your sins."
Douay Reheims says in Acts 2:38 to "Do penance."
New Life Version says in Acts 2:38 to "Be sorry for your sins"

#2. Luke 17:3 says, "Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him." This doesn't make any sense if "repent" means believe in Jesus (as some teach) or to have a change of mind about sin (as others teach) or to exclusively forsake sin. Yes, we are to forsake sin as a part of repentance but that comes later after repentance (Which is to ask God for forgiveness of our sin). For how can we reconcile with a brother if we do not say we are sorry vs. just going on about life as if we did nothing wrong?

#3. Jesus said in Matthew 12:41 that the Ninevites will rise up in Judgment against this generation because they repented at the preaching of Jonah. If you were to turn to Jonah chapter 3, you would be able to see in Jonah 3:6-10 that the King of the Ninevites had told his people to:

(a) Cry out to God (i.e. Repentance) (See Jonah 3:8).
(b) Turn from their sins or evil ways (i.e. The Natural Fruits of Repentance).

#4. Matthew 3:6 (which then lines up with Matthew 3:8). Also, in Mark 1:4-5, it says John preached the "baptism of repentance" for the remission of sins (verse 4), and it then defines this "baptism of repentance" by saying they confessed their sins when they were baptized (verse 5).

#5. We see in Acts of the Apostles 8:22 a clear example of Peter telling Simon to "repent" of his wickedness in trying to pay for the Holy Spirit. Peter is telling Simon to make a prayer towards God. For Peter says that he should pray that God might forgive him. In other words, Peter is telling Simon to repent of a one time event of wickedness by way of prayer to GOD. This only makes sense if "repent" means to "ask for forgiveness."

#6. Ezekiel 14:6 says,
"Repent, and turn yourselves from your idols;" Repent makes the most sense here if a person is asking God for forgiveness by way of prayer instead of a person just believing in God. Naturally a person believes in God as their Savior if they are planning on forsaking their idols.

#7. We see repentance is the topic of discussion in Luke 15 (Luke 15:6) (Luke 15:10); This is then followed up by the "Parable of the Prodigal Son" with the son desiring to be reconciled with his father. We learn the WAY the Prodigal Son desired to be reconciled with his father when he said,

"I will arise and go to my father, and will say unto him, Father, I have sinned against heaven, and before thee, And am no more worthy to be called thy son: make me as one of thy hired servants." (Luke 15:18-19).

In other words, the Prodigal Son was seeking forgiveness. This ties into the point of repentance in Luke 15:6 and Luke 15:10.

#8. Luke 10:13 says,
"Woe unto thee, Chorazin! woe unto thee, Bethsaida! for if the mighty works had been done in Tyre and Sidon, which have been done in you, they had a great while ago repented, sitting in sackcloth and ashes." This rules out the theory that repentance is exclusively forsaking sin. Granted, forsaking sin always follow true repentance (Asking God for forgiveness of one's sins) but forsaking sin is not repentance. The word "repented" here is describing a one time event because they "repented", sitting in sackcloth and ashes. In Jonah 3:6 we learn that the King of Nineveh sat in sackcloth and ashes. In Jonah 3:8, the King of Nineveh tells people to put on sackcloth, and cry mightily unto God (i.e. repentance): and then turn from their evil way (i.e. the fruits of repentance).

#9. John the Baptist says we are to bring forth fruits worthy of repentance (Luke 3:8). Fruits are deeds (or obedience to God). How can repentance be the same thing as the fruit? Is the fruit the same thing as the tree?

#10. Jeremiah 8:6 says, "I hearkened and heard, but they spake not aright: no man repented him of his wickedness, saying, What have I done? every one turned to his course, as the horse rusheth into the battle." Here we see the word "repented of wickedness" tied with the words, "What have I done?" This is an acknowledgement of one's sin to God as a part of asking His forgiveness.

Notable Additional Verses that Deal with Repentance
(But They Do Not Use The Word "Repent" or "Repentance"):

"For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved." (Romans 10:13).

13 "And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted. (Luke 18:13-14).

Proverbs 28:13 says whosoever confesses and forsakes sin shall have mercy.

BCsenior · Nov 27, 2018

Brother Jason,
Please take a good long look at 2 Corinthians 7:8-10

nChrist · Nov 27, 2018

Some in this thread have horrible confusion resulting from:

Scripture written to the Jews under the Law.
Scripture written BEFORE the Cross and without the application of the Cross.

This confusion results in false doctrine being taught. Jesus Christ did go to the Cross for big reasons. Read the writings of the Apostle Paul if you want to know what changed after the Cross - what our Lord Jesus Christ accomplished there.

Do you have to keep confessing sin through out your life to be saved? (See 1 John 1:9)

Do you have to keep confessing sin through out your life to be saved?

Yes, confession of sin and a belief in Jesus are the only things required to maintain our salvation.

Yes, but we also have to strive to live holy, but nobody can stop sinning in this life.

Yes, but we also have to overcome grievous sin (like hate, lying, lusting, etc.) and walk holy.

Yes (Other - please explain).

No, confession of sin is dealing only with a loss of fellowship (and not salvation).

No, (Other - please explain).

I don't know.

Neither (Please explain).

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