Do you have eyes to see and ears to hear?

[k4c]

Most people have been taught to believe that the antichrist will be revealed after Jesus comes to gather His people together where we meet the Lord in the air. This is a delusion according to 2 Thessalonians chapter two.

2 Thessalonians 2:1-3 Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him,...

Notice the above verse is speaking of Jesus coming to gather His people together.

Now notice, does the revealing of antichrist come before or after the coming of Jesus to gather His people together?

2 Thessalonians 2:3-4 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.

Bible prophecy says this man who exalts himself above all that is called God will sit as God in the temple of God. Some have been taught that this temple is a rebuilt temple but this too is a delusion because the temple in the New testament is God's people, not a building.

1 Corinthians 3:16 Do you not know that you are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you?

1 Corinthians 6:16 And what agreement has the temple of God with idols? For you are the temple of the living God.
This man who claims to be God will sit among the people of God claiming to be God.

[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Official Statement of the Catholic Church[/FONT]
[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]"We hold [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]upon[/FONT] this earth the place of God Almighty” Pope Leo XIII Encyclical Letter of June 20, 1894[/FONT]​

[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Official Statement of the Catholic Church[/FONT]​

[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]“The pope is of so great dignity and so exalted that he is not a mere man… he is as it were God on earth, sole sovereign of the faithful of Christ, chief of kings, having plenitude of power." Lucius Ferraris, «Prompta Bibliotheca», 1763.[/FONT]

[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Official Statement of the Catholic Church[/FONT]​

[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]“The Pope and God are the same, so he has all power in Heaven and earth.” Pope Pius V, quoted in Barclay, Chapter XXVII, p. 218, "Cities Petrus Bertanous".[/FONT]

[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The prophecy in Daniel states that this man, who claims to be God, will change God's law and God's time.[/FONT][/FONT]

[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Official Statement of the Catholic Church [/FONT]​

[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]"The Pope is of great authority and power, that he is able to modify, declare, or interpret even divine laws. The Pope can modify divine law, since his power is not of man, but of God, and he acts as vicegerent of God upon earth..." Lucius Ferraris, in "Prompta Bibliotheca Canonica.[/FONT]
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[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Did the papacy change God's law? [/FONT][/FONT]

[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Yes he did when he removed the second commandment, which forbids images and statues. Then he divided the tenth commandment into two so that there would still be ten. http://juntosociety.com/i_documents/catholic10.html

Did the papacy change God's time?

Yes he did when he changed the seventh day Sabbath to the first day, which is called, The Venerable Day of the Sun.

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[/FONT][FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Official quote from The Catholic Catechism[/FONT]
[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Question - Which is the Sabbath day?[/FONT][FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]
Answer - “Saturday is the Sabbath day.”
Question - “Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday?” ​

Answer – “We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church, in the Council of Laodicea (A.D. 364), transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday." Peter Geiermann,C.S.S.R., The Convert's Catechism of Catholic Doctrine, p. 50, 3rd edition, 1957.

What was established at the Council of Laodicea in 364-AD regarding the seventh day Sabbath of the fourth commandment?

Council of Laodicea (A.D. 364)​

[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]"Christians shall not Judaize and be idle on Saturday, the Sabbath, but shall work on that day; but the Lord's day (Sunday) they shall especially honor, and, as being Christians, shall, if possible, do no work on that day if however, they are found Judaizing, they shall be shut out from Christ.”---Canon 29, Council of Laodicea, 364 C.E.[/FONT]
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[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Official Statement of the Catholic Church [/FONT][/FONT][/FONT]​

[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]“Sunday is founded, not of scripture, but on tradition, and is distinctly a Catholic institution. As there is no scripture for the transfer of the day of rest from the last to the first day of the week Protestants ought to keep their Sabbath on Saturday and thus leave Catholics in full possession of Sunday.” Catholic Record, September 17, 1893.[/FONT]

[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Official Statement of the Catholic Church [/FONT]​

[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]“Sunday is our mark of authority, the church is above the Bible, and this transference of Sabbath observance is proof of that fact." Catholic Record of London, Ontario, September 1, 1923”.[/FONT]

[/FONT][FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The prophecy in Daniel states that this man will speak pompous and blasphemous words against God and will change God's Law and time. Well, just claiming to be God is enough evidence but there is a lot more.[/FONT][/FONT]

Official Statement of the Catholic Church​

[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]"We confess that whatever new thing the Pope ordains, whether it be in Scriptures or not in Scripture, and whatever he commands is true, divine and salvific; and therefore ought to be held by Lay People in greater esteem than the living God." Roman Catholic Confessions for Protestants Oath.[/FONT]

[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Official Statement of the Catholic Church [/FONT]​

[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]"The Pope is of great authority and power, that he is able to modify, declare, or interpret even divine laws. The Pope can modify divine law, since his power is not of man, but of God, and he acts as vicegerent of God upon earth..." Lucius Ferraris, in "Prompta Bibliotheca Canonica.[/FONT]
[/FONT][/FONT]
[/FONT]
[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]These truths of the authoritative seat of the papacy were taught and believed by God's people not too many years ago but we have dropped the ball on this one. [/FONT][/FONT][/FONT]

[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Here is a list of some of believers of times past who could see these things.[/FONT][/FONT][/FONT]

John Calvin (1509-1564) founder of the Presbyterian Church.
John Wesley (1703-1791) founder of the Methodist Church.
SIR ISAAC NEWTON (1643-1727) physicist, mathematician.
John Knox (1505-1572) Scottish Reformer.
Philipp Melanchthon (1497-1560) Associate of Martin Luther.
William Tyndale (1484-1536) 1st translator of Bible.
John Wyclif (1324-1384) Completed the 1st English translation of the Bible.
Charles SPURGEON (1834-92) Respected preacher.
John BUNYAN (1628-1688) Respected preacher.
Charles FINNEY (1792-1875) Respected preacher.
D.L. Moody (1837-1899) founder of Moody Bible institute, Baptist.
Martin Luther (1483-1546) founder of the Lutheran Church.
​

Listen to what Martin Luther himself believed.​

Listen to what Martin Luther said regarding the Pope.​

[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]"Oh Christ, my Lord, look down upon us and bring upon us the day of judgment, and destroy the brood of Satan at Rome. There sits the Man, of whom the Apostle Paul wrote that he would oppose and exalt himself above all that is called God — the Man of Sin, the son of perdition . . . What is the Temple of God? Is it stones and wood? Did not Paul say, The Temple of God is holy, which Temple ye are? To sit — what is it but to reign, to teach and to judge. Who from the beginning of the church has dared to call himself master of the whole church but the Pope alone. None of the saints, none of the heretics ever uttered so horrible a word of pride." (Luther's Works, Vol. 2. p. 281).[/FONT]

[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]There is so much more on this because God does not want His people to be deceived in these last days, but I'll stop here. If you would like to know more visit here Prophe cy[/FONT]

[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]The reason why it's important to understand all this is because many false beliefs came to God's people through the papacy because, though the papacy has a religious appearance, it's not of God.[/FONT]

2 [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Thessalonians 2:9 The[/FONT] coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders,
[/FONT]

 

[ricker]

Most people have been taught to believe that the antichrist will be revealed after Jesus comes to gather His people together where we meet the Lord in the air. This is a delusion according to 2 Thessalonians chapter two.

2 Thessalonians 2:1-3 Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him,...

Notice the above verse is speaking of Jesus coming to gather His people together.

Now notice, does the revealing of antichrist come before or after the coming of Jesus to gather His people together?

2 Thessalonians 2:3-4 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.

Bible prophecy says this man who exalts himself above all that is called God will sit as God in the temple of God. Some have been taught that this temple is a rebuilt temple but this too is a delusion because the temple in the New testament is God's people, not a building.

1 Corinthians 3:16 Do you not know that you are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you?

1 Corinthians 6:16 And what agreement has the temple of God with idols? For you are the temple of the living God.
This man who claims to be God will sit among the people of God claiming to be God.

[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Official Statement of the Catholic Church[/FONT]
[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]"We hold [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]upon[/FONT] this earth the place of God Almighty” Pope Leo XIII Encyclical Letter of June 20, 1894[/FONT]​

[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Official Statement of the Catholic Church[/FONT]​

[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]“The pope is of so great dignity and so exalted that he is not a mere man… he is as it were God on earth, sole sovereign of the faithful of Christ, chief of kings, having plenitude of power." Lucius Ferraris, «Prompta Bibliotheca», 1763.[/FONT]

[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Official Statement of the Catholic Church[/FONT]​

[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]“The Pope and God are the same, so he has all power in Heaven and earth.” Pope Pius V, quoted in Barclay, Chapter XXVII, p. 218, "Cities Petrus Bertanous".[/FONT]

[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The prophecy in Daniel states that this man, who claims to be God, will change God's law and God's time.[/FONT][/FONT]

[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Official Statement of the Catholic Church [/FONT]​

[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]"The Pope is of great authority and power, that he is able to modify, declare, or interpret even divine laws. The Pope can modify divine law, since his power is not of man, but of God, and he acts as vicegerent of God upon earth..." Lucius Ferraris, in "Prompta Bibliotheca Canonica.[/FONT]
[/FONT]

[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Did the papacy change God's law? [/FONT][/FONT]

[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Yes he did when he removed the second commandment, which forbids images and statues. Then he divided the tenth commandment into two so that there would still be ten. http://juntosociety.com/i_documents/catholic10.html

Did the papacy change God's time?

Yes he did when he changed the seventh day Sabbath to the first day, which is called, The Venerable Day of the Sun.

​

[/FONT][FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Official quote from The Catholic Catechism[/FONT]
[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Question - Which is the Sabbath day?[/FONT]
[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Answer - “Saturday is the Sabbath day.”[/FONT][FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]
Question - “Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday?” ​

Answer – “We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church, in the Council of Laodicea (A.D. 364), transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday." Peter Geiermann,C.S.S.R., The Convert's Catechism of Catholic Doctrine, p. 50, 3rd edition, 1957.

What was established at the Council of Laodicea in 364-AD regarding the seventh day Sabbath of the fourth commandment?

Council of Laodicea (A.D. 364)​

[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]"Christians shall not Judaize and be idle on Saturday, the Sabbath, but shall work on that day; but the Lord's day (Sunday) they shall especially honor, and, as being Christians, shall, if possible, do no work on that day if however, they are found Judaizing, they shall be shut out from Christ.”---Canon 29, Council of Laodicea, 364 C.E.[/FONT]
[/FONT]

[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Official Statement of the Catholic Church [/FONT][/FONT][/FONT]​

[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]“Sunday is founded, not of scripture, but on tradition, and is distinctly a Catholic institution. As there is no scripture for the transfer of the day of rest from the last to the first day of the week Protestants ought to keep their Sabbath on Saturday and thus leave Catholics in full possession of Sunday.” Catholic Record, September 17, 1893.[/FONT]

[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Official Statement of the Catholic Church [/FONT]​

[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]“Sunday is our mark of authority, the church is above the Bible, and this transference of Sabbath observance is proof of that fact." Catholic Record of London, Ontario, September 1, 1923”.[/FONT]

[/FONT][FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The prophecy in Daniel states that this man will speak pompous and blasphemous words against God and will change God's Law and time. Well, just claiming to be God is enough evidence but there is a lot more.[/FONT][/FONT]

Official Statement of the Catholic Church​

[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]"We confess that whatever new thing the Pope ordains, whether it be in Scriptures or not in Scripture, and whatever he commands is true, divine and salvific; and therefore ought to be held by Lay People in greater esteem than the living God." Roman Catholic Confessions for Protestants Oath.[/FONT]

[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Official Statement of the Catholic Church [/FONT]​

[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]"The Pope is of great authority and power, that he is able to modify, declare, or interpret even divine laws. The Pope can modify divine law, since his power is not of man, but of God, and he acts as vicegerent of God upon earth..." Lucius Ferraris, in "Prompta Bibliotheca Canonica.[/FONT]
[/FONT][/FONT]
[/FONT]
[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]These truths of the authoritative seat of the papacy were taught and believed by God's people not too many years ago but we have dropped the ball on this one. [/FONT][/FONT][/FONT]

[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Here is a list of some of believers of times past who could see these things.[/FONT][/FONT][/FONT]

John Calvin (1509-1564) founder of the Presbyterian Church.
John Wesley (1703-1791) founder of the Methodist Church.
SIR ISAAC NEWTON (1643-1727) physicist, mathematician.
John Knox (1505-1572) Scottish Reformer.
Philipp Melanchthon (1497-1560) Associate of Martin Luther.
William Tyndale (1484-1536) 1st translator of Bible.
John Wyclif (1324-1384) Completed the 1st English translation of the Bible.
Charles SPURGEON (1834-92) Respected preacher.
John BUNYAN (1628-1688) Respected preacher.
Charles FINNEY (1792-1875) Respected preacher.
D.L. Moody (1837-1899) founder of Moody Bible institute, Baptist.
Martin Luther (1483-1546) founder of the Lutheran Church.​

Listen to what Martin Luther himself believed.​

Listen to what Martin Luther said regarding the Pope.​

[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]"Oh Christ, my Lord, look down upon us and bring upon us the day of judgment, and destroy the brood of Satan at Rome. There sits the Man, of whom the Apostle Paul wrote that he would oppose and exalt himself above all that is called God — the Man of Sin, the son of perdition . . . What is the Temple of God? Is it stones and wood? Did not Paul say, The Temple of God is holy, which Temple ye are? To sit — what is it but to reign, to teach and to judge. Who from the beginning of the church has dared to call himself master of the whole church but the Pope alone. None of the saints, none of the heretics ever uttered so horrible a word of pride." (Luther's Works, Vol. 2. p. 281).[/FONT]

[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]There is so much more on this because God does not want His people to be deceived in these last days, but I'll stop here. If you would like to know more visit here Prophe cy[/FONT]

[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]The reason why it's important to understand all this is because many false beliefs came to God's people through the papacy because, though the papacy has a religious appearance, it's not of God.[/FONT]

2 [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Thessalonians 2:9 The[/FONT] coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders,
[/FONT]

All this comes from anti-Catholic sources that have not been peer reviewed. I imagine you would protest if I would quote websites that are blatantly anti-SDA.

 

[Pythons]

Watch the whole SDA historicist rubric vaporize with nothing more then absolute fact...
...Well worth the short time to watch the video.
...7 parts.
...After part 1 completes part 2 should start automatically.

‪The REAL STAR of Bethlehem Pt.1.‬‏ - YouTube

 

[k4c]

All this comes from anti-Catholic sources that have not been peer reviewed. I imagine you would protest if I would quote websites that are blatantly anti-SDA.

It's not a matter of Catholic vs SDA it's a matter of truth. The only way one can see these things is if one has the eyes to see and the only reason one does not have the eyes to see is because one is not willing to see...

 

[ricker]

It's not a matter of Catholic vs SDA it's a matter of truth. The only way one can see these things is if one has the eyes to see and the only reason one does not have the eyes to see is because one is not willing to see...

Thought you would like this..........

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

Watch the whole SDA historicist rubric vaporize with nothing more then absolute fact...
...Well worth the short time to watch the video.
...7 parts.
...After part 1 completes part 2 should start automatically.

‪The REAL STAR of Bethlehem Pt.1.‬‏ - YouTube

What exactly does this video refute of SDA theology?

I watched all seven parts and besides the presenter not knowing the meaning of some of the symbolism of Revelation, it was a very interesting video.

 

[ricker]

It's not a matter of Catholic vs SDA it's a matter of truth. The only way one can see these things is if one has the eyes to see and the only reason one does not have the eyes to see is because one is not willing to see...

I tried to verify some of your quotes and the only place I could find many of them was on hate sites, if at all.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

Thought you would like this..........

Maybe he's a Texas Longhorns fan like the Bushes...

 

[Pythons]

What exactly does this video refute of SDA theology?

I watched all seven parts and besides the presenter not knowing the meaning of some of the symbolism of Revelation, it was a very interesting video.

Well, did you agree that the guy did his homework and reflected the events "in the sky" correctly.....
...That's it - the proof.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

Well, did you agree that the guy did his homework and reflected the events "in the sky" correctly.....
...That's it - the proof.

How does looking for signs in the moon and stars condradict SDA theology?

What does this 'revelation' mean for us here at the end of earths history? True, it may bring scoffers to a belief of Jesus' Divine existence, but does it point us to the signs of His return? Does it reveal the three angels messages to prepare God's people for His soon return?

 

[Pythons]

How does looking for signs in the moon and stars condradict SDA theology?

What does this 'revelation' mean for us here at the end of earths history? True, it may bring scoffers to a belief of Jesus' Divine existence, but does it point us to the signs of His return? Does it reveal the three angels messages to prepare God's people for His soon return?

Herod died in "1" B.C. - people in the 19th century who thought Herod died in 4 B.C.....
....Were ALL due to a copy ( typo ) error.
....Which made it into the SDA prophetic schema.


A 4 B.C. death for Herod is a time anchor for I.J. Doctrine.....
...It is a requirement to reach 22 October 1844.
...And as such Ellen claimed she had a vision proving the data accurate.


The video does not say the SDA teaching that Christ entered into the Most Holy Place is false...
....It only proved it was impossible for that to happen in 1843 OR 1844.
....Because Herod died in 1 B.C.
...And Christ on the Cross in 33 A.D.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

Herod died in "1" B.C. - people in the 19th century who thought Herod died in 4 B.C.....
....Were ALL due to a copy ( typo ) error.
....Which made it into the SDA prophetic schema.


A 4 B.C. death for Herod is a time anchor for I.J. Doctrine.....
...It is a requirement to reach 22 October 1844.
...And as such Ellen claimed she had a vision proving the data accurate.


The video does not say the SDA teaching that Christ entered into the Most Holy Place is false...
....It only proved it was impossible for that to happen in 1843 OR 1844.
....Because Herod died in 1 B.C.
...And Christ on the Cross in 33 A.D.

Two things you are missing here... one is the 70 week prophesy of Daniel which commenced in 457 BC with the pronouncement by Artaxerxes to rebuild the temple which places the beginning of Christs ministry around 27 AD when He was 30 years old. Also, in the scripture of Luke 3 we know that Christs ministry began in the 15th year of Tiberius, which was 27-28 AD. Jesus' ministry was for 3 1/2 years til His death, so the assertion that He died in 33 AD cannot be valid based on Biblical and historic record...

Again, another failed attempt to discredit Adventism, Pythons... better luck next time.

 

[Revelation 14:6-12]

"... The death of Herod is important in its relation to the birth of Christ. The eclipse mentioned by Jospehus (Ant., XVII, vi, 4), who also gives the length of Herod's reign — thirty-seven years from the time he was appointed by the Romans, 40 [SIZE=-2]B.C.[/SIZE]; or thirty-four from the death of Antigonus, 37 [SIZE=-2]B.C.[/SIZE] (Ant., XVII, viii, 1)-- fixes the death of Herod in the spring of 750 [SIZE=-2]A. U. C.[/SIZE], or 4 [SIZE=-2]B.C.[/SIZE] Christ was born before Herod's death (Matthew 2:1), but how long before is uncertain: the possible dates lie between 746 and 750 [SIZE=-2]A. U. C.[/SIZE] (see a summary of opinions and reasons in Gigot, "Outlines of N. T. Hist.", 42, 43). ..." [Roman Catholic Online Encyclopedia; "H"; "Herod" (Herod the Great)
APA citation. Tierney, J. (1910). Herod. In The Catholic Encyclopedia. New York: Robert Appleton Company. Retrieved July 17, 2011 from New Advent: http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07289c.htm
MLA citation. Tierney, John. "Herod." The Catholic Encyclopedia. Vol. 7. New York: Robert Appleton Company, 1910. 17 Jul. 2011 <http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07289c.htm>.
Transcription. This article was transcribed for New Advent by Douglas J. Potter. Dedicated to the Immaculate Heart of the Blessed Virgin Mary.
Ecclesiastical approbation. Nihil Obstat. June 1, 1910. Remy Lafort, S.T.D., Censor. Imprimatur. +John Cardinal Farley, Archbishop of New York.] - http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07289c.htm


" ... But Herod deprived this Matthias of the high priesthood, and burnt the other Matthias, who had raised the sedition, with his companions, alive. And that very night there was an eclipse of the moon. (8) ...

... (8) This eclipse of the moon (which is the only eclipse of either of the luminaries mentioned by our Josephus in any of his writings) is of the greatest consequence for the determination of the time for the death of Herod and Antipater, and for the birth and entire chronology of Jesus Christ. It happened March 13th, in the year of the Julian period 4710, and the 4th year before the Christian era. See its calculation by the rules of astronomy, at the end of the Astronomical Lectures, edit. Lat. p. 451, 452. ..." [Antiquities of the Jews - Book XVII; CONTAINING THE INTERVAL OF FOURTEEN YEARS.; FROM THE DEATH OF ALEXANDER AND ARISTOBULUS TO THE BANISHMENT OF ARCHELAUS. Book XVII; Chapter 6, Paragraph 4] - http://www.sacred-texts.com/jud/josephus/ant-17.htm#EndNote Ant 17.8b or http://reluctant-messenger.com/josephusA17.htm or http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper...6:book=17:whiston+chapter=6:whiston+section=4


" ... 1. AND now Herod altered his testament upon the alteration of his mind; for he appointed Antipas, to whom he had before left the kingdom, to be tetrarch of Galilee and Perea, and granted the kingdom to Archclaus. He also gave Gaulonitis, and Trachonitis, and Paneas to Philip, who was his son, but own brother to Archclaus (10) by the name of a tetrarchy; and bequeathed Jarnnia, and Ashdod, and Phasaelis to Salome his sister, with five hundred thousand [drachmae] of silver that was coined. He also made provision for all the rest of his kindred, by giving them sums of money and annual revenues, and so left them all in a wealthy condition. He bequeathed also to Caesar ten millions [of drachmae] of coined money, besides both vessels of gold and silver, and garments exceeding costly, to Julia, Caesar's wife; and to certain others, five millions. When he had done these things, he died, the fifth day after he had caused Antipater to be slain; having reigned, since he had procured Antigonus to be slain, thirty-four years; but since he had been declared king by the Romans, thirty-seven. (11) A man he was of great barbarity towards all men equally, and a slave to his passion; but above the consideration of what was right; yet was he favored by fortune as much as any man ever was, for from a private man he became a king; and though he were encompassed with ten thousand dangers, he got clear of them all, and continued his life till a very old age. But then, as to the affairs of his family and children, in which indeed, according to his own opinion, he was also very fortunate, because he was able to conquer his enemies, yet, in my opinion, he was herein very unfortunate. ...

... (11) These numbers of years for Herod's reign, 34 and 37, are the very same with those, Of the War, B. I. ch. 33. sect. 8, and are among the principal chronological characters belonging to the reign or death of Herod. See Harm. p. 150--155. ... " [Antiquities of the Jews - Book XVII; CONTAINING THE INTERVAL OF FOURTEEN YEARS.; FROM THE DEATH OF ALEXANDER AND ARISTOBULUS TO THE BANISHMENT OF ARCHELAUS. Book XVII; Chapter 8, Paragraph 1] - http://www.sacred-texts.com/jud/josephus/ant-17.htm#EndNote Ant 17.8b or http://reluctant-messenger.com/josephusA17.htm or http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper...6:book=17:whiston+chapter=8:whiston+section=1


However, even with this information, the "Star" of Bethlehem was actually a group of Angels... and these you will not find in the "star-charts"...

"... As the light [of the angels at Bethlehem] faded, a luminous star appeared, and lingered in the sky. It was not a fixed star nor a planet, and the phenomenon excited the keenest interest. That star was a distant company of shining angels, but of this the wise men were ignorant. ..." [The Truth About Angels; Page 162; E.G. White] - http://text.egwwritings.org/

"... The wise men had seen a mysterious light in the heavens upon that night when the glory of God flooded the hills of Bethlehem. As the light faded, a luminous star appeared, and lingered in the sky. It was not a fixed star nor a planet, and the phenomenon excited the keenest interest. That star was a distant company of shining angels, but of this the wise men were ignorant. ..." [The Desire Of Ages; Page 60; E.G. White] - http://text.egwwritings.org/

" ... “Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the East to Jerusalem, saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him.” These men were not Jews; but they had been waiting for the predicted Messiah. They had studied prophecy, and knew the time was at hand when Christ would come; and they were anxiously watching for some sign of this great event, that they might be among the first to welcome the infant heavenly King, and worship him. These wise men were philosophers, and had studied the works of God in nature. In the wonders of the heavens, in the glories of the sun, moon, and stars, they traced the finger of God. They were not idolaters. They lived up to the dim light which shone upon them. These men were regarded by the Jews as heathen; but they were more pure in the sight of God than the Jews who had been privileged with great light, and who made exalted professions, yet did not live up to the light God had given them. These wise men had seen the heavens illuminated with light, which enshrouded the heavenly host who heralded the advent of Christ to the humble shepherds. And after the angels returned to Heaven, a luminous star appeared, and lingered in the heavens.

This light was a distant cluster of flaming angels, which appeared like a luminous star. The unusual appearance of the large, bright star which they had never seen before, hanging as a sign in the heavens, attracted their attention. ..." [The Spirit Of Prophecy; Volume 2; Page 20; E.G. White] - http://text.egwwritings.org/

 

[Pythons]

Two things you are missing here... one is the 70 week prophesy of Daniel which commenced in 457 BC with the pronouncement by Artaxerxes to rebuild the temple which places the beginning of Christs ministry around 27 AD when He was 30 years old.

Ok, where are you getting that "the pronouncement" by Artaxerxes is what "commenced" the building...
...And that it was 457.
...That would be a nice discussion.

Also, in the scripture of Luke 3 we know that Christs ministry began in the 15th year of Tiberius, which was 27-28 AD. Jesus' ministry was for 3 1/2 years til His death, so the assertion that He died in 33 AD cannot be valid based on Biblical and historic record...

Again, another failed attempt to discredit Adventism, Pythons... better luck next time.

Miller as well as every S.D. Adventist who ever bothered to write about it....
...Said Herod died in 4 B.C. and used that math to vett the 2300 day propphecy.
...Of which the 70 week is absolutely apart.

It is frankly impossible for Christ to have died in 31 A.D., at a Jewish Passover which coincided with a Gregorian Friday...
...This simply isn't in the cards.

And there was NO ECLIPS on "any" possible Passover date in 31 A.D....
...Before you claim I've failed in showing it was impossible that Christ died in 31 A.D. on a Gregorian Friday.
...Why not look at the math with me.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

...Before you claim I've failed in showing it was impossible that Christ died in 31 A.D. on a Gregorian Friday.
...Why not look at the math with me.

I'll stick to Word, thank you.

 

[Pythons]

I'll stick to Word, thank you.

Ok, thanks for at least watching the video ECR....
...I can respect you for that.