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What? How is "turning" not a work? You can't can't claim you are against works-based salvation and say something isn't a work when it is at the same time... "Turning" is an ACTION on our part. How on earth are you gonna say it isn't a work? Works based salvation is just that, an action, an effort on our part, such as turning away from sin, in order to get to heaven. That is NOT what repentance is, again you are twisting the word repentance which means to change your mind, not to turn away from anything by definition but you keep denying the definition... Please explain to me, how do you not get this or are you simply making up definition for works in your own head? Works doesn't just mean rituals... Works means any action or effort for salvation or to get to heaven, which is what you believe... This includes the ACTION of turning from sin and turning to Jesus, that is a work... You can't make up the definition of works in your own head when we know what the definition is. That is works-based salvation. Please explain how it isn't? This is heresy too. Because the bible says we are not saved by works, but by grace through faith, nothing else. It does not say we are saved because we turned from sin... It says we are saved by Jesus Christ alone.Repentance is not works. It simply means to turn from sin and seek the Lord Jesus.
That is NOT the fruit scripture is talking about when God says you will know them by their fruits... CONTEXT. The fruit of the tree verse is talking about teachings, not how you act. You will know that as Peter was talking to one of the pharisees about the law and the teachings when he mentioned that. Context points to fruit being about whether you present the truth and correct teachings, not how you appear... He was talking about false prophets. Christians have bad days like everyone else. They will not always show patience and joy and the others, it's ridiculous to think that is how you "determine if someone is saved". Fruit inspecting is something God hates. It comes from a spirit of pride and unrighteous judgement and sometimes conspiracy too.But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law" Galatians 5:22-23
Did we not already discuss this? Are you now again making the statement that no one got saved ever with the sinner's prayer being a tool or that people can't get saved through method of prayer? You are saying God never uses these methods again? I thought you repented of that when you replied to me last time... But it looks like you haven't, and you really should... For that statement undermines the power of God and what methods he can use and even bears false witness to those who really did get born again by the sinner's prayer, and God hates people who bear false witness against their neighbours.
Are you recounting your statement? This is what you said... And now you are changing it claiming the sinner's prayer cannot be used as way towards salvation for no one... Why are you always changing your mind? Or are you just looking to argue. Because this is EXACTLY what you said here, so I thought you repented of that. I thought you agreed God can use any way to bring people to salvation including the sinner's prayer, disagreeing with that is saying God can't do what he wants in a situation to get someone saved and also bearing false witness to those who did get saved through prayer. So which one is it? Are you changing your mind AGAIN now? I think you are just looking for an argument, because in in this quote you were clear but then you went and changed your mind again.To get to the point - okay, and this could include the sinner's prayer - so long as God is working through his word contained in said prayer.
Are you recounting your statement? This is what you said... And now you are changing it claiming the sinner's prayer cannot be used as way towards salvation for no one... Why are you always changing your mind? Or are you just looking to argue. Because this is EXACTLY what you said here, so I thought you repented of that. I thought you agreed God can use any way to bring people to salvation including the sinner's prayer, disagreeing with that is saying God can't do what he wants in a situation to get someone saved and also bearing false witness to those who did get saved through prayer. So which one is it? Are you changing your mind AGAIN now? I think you are just looking for an argument, because in in this quote you were clear but then you went and changed your mind again.
Oh yes it is and here is the biblical proof that turning away from sin is a work.Again. DM25. To turn from sin and seek our Lord Jesus Christ, is not works based salvation. It is biblical repentance.
Self love, for real Love, or a "turning or turning away from" "you" and "your own", ways, ect, to His, ect..."It is not your works that save you, but to turn from those works because you are saved"...
Or "Loved", ect... (Do you know what I mean)...? (the above)...?
May not want to, but some of us may, from time to time, and that shouldn't have to mean your not saved or cannot be saved any longer, or still be His, or one of His, or belong to Him, ect...If we repent of some evil work, we will not want to do that work again.
Who in the "blank" are you talking to...?staff edit.
2. It's a child/parent relationship.Hello everyone. Sorry I was M.I.A. missing in action. I have been very busy. Since I don't have time to get to everyone's questions, I will just answer the basic fundamentals that have been asked.
1. Is repentance a works? Yes and no. No, repentance is not a works based salvation. But yes, repentance is an action that is required on our part, it is part of our free-will, to turn from sin and seek the Lord Jesus.
2. Does having a relationship with Jesus mean we are His boyfriend or girlfriend? Answer is No. The bible describes what type of relationship is required in order for us to be born again. The type of relationship mentioned in scripture is a master and servant relationship. In other words, is Jesus Christ the king of your life? King means master. And if Jesus is indeed your master, then you are also a friend of Christ.
3. Do I need to turn from sin in order to be saved? Answer is Yes. Unfortunately, God cannot repent for you. We are not robots. Repentance is part of our free will and we each have a free will choice to repent. Yes indeed, we each have the ability to make that free will choice. You cannot be living in sin and still be born again. And you must be born from above, in order to be saved.
4. What if I just believe in Jesus, is that enough to get me into heaven? Answer is No. Otherwise the demons themselves would be in heaven. Since even the demons believe in Jesus and also shudder at His name. The bible makes it very clear, you must repent and believe.
Yes, we are sometimes "forced to judge", but we should only do it when that is the case only, and in that case, or those cases only, we must be very careful to judge "rightly" or correctly or righteously...Hi Neo.Therefore, judge righteously and rebuke with love. Being a pastor, it is my job to tell people what they need to hear, instead of telling people what they want to hear. Yes sometimes the truth hurts, but its better to be hurt now and change, rather than to be hurt in the afterlife. May peace be with you.
So how does a person determine whether or not they have a relationship with Jesus? Unfortunately, your relationship it is not determined by a date you've written on the back of your bible or the time you recited the Sinners Prayer. So how is it determined then? It is determined by whether or not Jesus is actually in your life and the ruler of your life. Does Jesus have kingship over your life? Have you repented and turned to Christ? Have you surrendered your will and asked Jesus to come into your life? Are you living in obedience to the teachings of Jesus Christ? My dear friends, if you have answered "yes" to these questions, then you indeed have a relationship with our Lord Jesus.
Pastor Johnny
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