Do you consider Man a metaphysical being?

[quatona]

Arrogance is ugly.
Rudeness is ugly.
Dishonesty is ugly.

"The need to appear right is the sign of a vulgar mind."
- William James

Agreed.

 

[Eudaimonist]

That's like saying numbers were created because they weren't drawn for a long time.

Actually, no. You must be misunderstanding me.

The numbers one, two, three... (or 1, 2, 3...) are labels for numerical values. They aren't the values themselves. They are how we utter or write them down. Words are similar to that, except that the labels refer to concepts, not values.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[Neochristian]

Actually, no. You must be misunderstanding me.

The numbers one, two, three... (or 1, 2, 3...) are labels for numerical values. They aren't the values themselves. They are how we utter or write them down. Words are similar to that, except that the labels refer to concepts, not values.


eudaimonia,

Mark

Did you catch my other posts? What did you think?

 

[Eudaimonist]

Did you catch my other posts? What did you think?

Which ones? I replied to the OP in post #3.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[Neochristian]

Which ones? I replied to the OP in post #3.


eudaimonia,

Mark

The ones on words and ideas.

 

[Eudaimonist]

The ones on words and ideas.

I'd like post numbers.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[quatona]

No, it's not. That's not the same as there not being a word for it.

It´s a perfect example for what I am trying to communicate: Thoughts/concepts don´t necessarily require words.

 

[KCfromNC]

That's like saying numbers were created because they weren't drawn for a long time.

And that's a problem how?

 

[Neochristian]

And that's a problem how?

Lol, because it's putting forth something mistaken.

 

[Hieronymus]

Chiming in late, and t.b.h. without reading previous comments:

I would say NO.
Man is not a metaphysical being.

We do have the pineal gland, which is purportedly our receptor for metaphysical things.
Other supernatural things that people 'do' is not done by man, but by entities in the angelic realm.
Reiki for example.

 

[KCfromNC]

Lol, because it's putting forth something mistaken.

In what way?

 

[Neochristian]

In what way?

Because numbers existed before there was a way to express numbers.

 

[KCfromNC]

Because numbers existed before there was a way to express numbers.

No they didn't. Numbers are part of a language created by humans to communicate certain ideas. For example : http://www.livescience.com/27853-who-invented-zero.html

 

[Eudaimonist]

Because numbers existed before there was a way to express numbers.

Did they? In what way?


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[durangodawood]

...The word isn't the concept, it is a label for the concept....

Except in poetry.

 

[Neochristian]

No they didn't. Numbers are part of a language created by humans to communicate certain ideas. For example : http://www.livescience.com/27853-who-invented-zero.html

No, they are not. Unless you are referring to the symbols for the numbers. I'm referring to what the symbols symbolize.

 

[Eudaimonist]

Except in poetry.

Perhaps. Context matters quite a bit towards getting the intended meaning of words. Still, the individual words do mean something.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[Eudaimonist]

I'm referring to what the symbols symbolize.

Which is what?


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[katerinah1947]

I was thinking this morning -yes, it does happen sometimes-, and realized that I was certain of the metaphysical dimension of Man, thanks to the language. I explain myself:
As the only being gifted by the language, Man as an incredibly ability: to make things "exist" in his mind -the conceptual thinking. Well in fact I would prefer "in-sist" (while this word is not a correct word, I know) rather than "exist": to make things appear inside the mind and not outside. The ability of creating, in a mind, an object which is not there. Yes, of course, an object that he already knew. However, he can do that above the physical dimension. So, to me, this is clear that man is metaphysical. I was even considering that the metaphysical mind could be more real than the physical body: "I think so I am". I speak, so I am. I could consider everything physical as an illusion. I could consider the human body as an illusion, while I could not for the human brain and conceptual thinking.
It adds a spiritual (not necessary religious) dimension of Man, dimension that still can be contested.
As this explanation surely has a lot of defects and weaknesses, I wanted you to criticize and discuss the question. Are you convinced that Man is the only metaphysical being, and are you even convinced that a metaphysical dimension exists (or in-sists? Sorry, I truly do not like to match exist with the metaphysic)

Hi, (edits done now)

Nice statement on thinking. You are calibrated by that.

Dimensions, not dimension.

It is extremely narrow to use your understanding of language as the Absolute understanding of language.

Deaf, have a language.

Animals imagine, and therefore build.

Objects can be created and seen that were never known to him before also.

So, to me, this is clear that man is metaphysical.

Interesting definition of metaphysical. Thoughts and mental images are not necessarily metaphysical. They can be. They can also not be. Metaphysical, involves the heart as sentient, with the thought of the heart, plus.

Being aware of a metaphysical state, happens and is recorded enough to be known by some psychologists and psychiatrists in their observeables.

Yes your thoughts on the nature of reality are important. Yet, reigning them in is also important. Letting them go occasionally to recheck is also done by all thinkers. Later they are reigned in again. To work.

Yes, there is a hoped for attribution of Godly things, in this process of going from what is in the here and now, and what the mind can think. Yet, to expect a Godly connection, cannot happen. If it does, you will be shifted. You will not shift. You will be shifted to heart as self thus also your mind, eyes, ears, thoughts, arms, legs, as one entity, not separate from your mind and body as you know it. You will be shifted to thoughts from there, and if love of God enters also, then you are requesting love from Him. If granted, the work starts.

If God enters into the spiritual dimension of you, the first contestor of that is you, to make sure it Is God and no other.

If it is God, and others are to know of this, those contestors, And if they are just and rightious where those two words mean the same thing, they will be satisfied and no longer contest.

Man is not the only, metaphysical being.

Metaphysics, as you are postulating, exists, and has been noted since Carl Jung, the Psychiatrist, had his personal experiences with that.

Philosophical Questions are important. To go over items already determined, is perhaps very important also. The Psychiatric, and Psychological profession, recognizes that some people are neither, delusional, hallucinatory, nor mentally ill, but Mystical.

They introduced me to that concept first in theory, then with proofs.

I am what they called a medical, not metatal, but medical mystic, and I was told it is inappropriate and wrong to deny that any further, plus there are lots of other people like me, and I was given those resources by them to be more comfortable with that, and the paperwork to protect me from naysayers.

Carl Jung was convinced that he was schizophrenic, and it turns out that was not so. He was just mystical and saw the upcoming war, a year and a half or so before it happened, in a long long long long, day time event.

LOVE,

 

[Hieronymus]

Did they? In what way?

In the mathematical way.