Do you believe in Prophets?

[A Brethren IN CHRIST]

have they[prophets] passed God's test that he gave common folk



deut 18:20 But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die. 21 And if thou say in thine heart, Howshall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken? 22 When a prophet speakethin the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.


question is why afraid of prophet from God.

 

[Yitzchak]

I think we're getting this all wrong.

The answer: WE ARE ALL IN CHRIST.

First, we need to figure our what the roll or a prophet and a priest was. We should ask ourselves, not what their jobs were, but what they did.

A priest made intercessions to God on behalf of the people.

A prophet made intercessions to the people on behalf of God.

CHRIST, who was not present in OT times, is our mediator. He is eternally our priest, meaning He goes to the Father on our behalf. He proceeds from the Father, making Him a prophet.

Here's the most common statement in the New Testament: We are "IN CHRIST." Meaning therefore that we are all preists and we are all prophets.

We each are responsible for praying to God ON OUR OWN, and we each are responsible for PERSONALLY listening to God speak. That means we each assume the role of a prophet and priest. Not because we're good people, but because Christ is our mediaor who fulfills both the roles, and we are in Christ. That means that we each personally communicate with God on our own.

Thus, the doctrine that Christianity is a relationship- it depends on your views of priests and prophets and Christ. The doctrine that there is a priesthood of believers means that each of us may go to God on our OWN behalf.

I really liked this post a lot. It made me think and it is humbling that we are given this privilege and responsibility as believers in christ.

 

[A Brethren IN CHRIST]

one of the many things we [WE] have in christ thank goodness we have better promises than law believers

 

[Drotar]

I really feel taht head coverings should be instituted as well, as well as the law of men having long hair.

I mean, honestly, should we reinterpret scripture to fit with modern socety, or should we model our society after the Scripture's teaching?

You know what, I'm ready to take up my cross on this belief. I've always been afraid that I'd be alone in beliving that. But now I think I'm going to go with that belief despite what criticism I may get. I don't think it's right to say that part of Scripture is nullified by society's norms.

Are you Calvinistic?

You know what? I was thinking the SAME THOUGHT. If no church followed those beliefs, I would start a non-denominational church, from the money I raised from my books. A strong emphasis on Calvinism, dispensationalism, the pre-trib rapture, and conservative theology. And a great emphasis on theological education and discipleship. A return to conservative NT theology. Just think of it. A refreshing thought- genuine sincere piety and devotion. Perhaps that's my lot in life.

Man, you sound like a real cool person. I'd be interested in hearing more of your thoughts. TTYL Jesus loves you!

 

[kenneth558]

Drotar, you're exactly right that we should model our culture after scripture and not the other way around. The Bible is inherently counter-cultural. And to hear believers talk about "that commandment was for the first century culture because....", then they offer a beguiling reason just like the serpent did in the garden. What will it take for us to learn?

Calvinism? I probably used to know what it is, but I just consider myself First Century Dispensation In Simplicity. "Dispensation" refers to the "present truth" that Peter says we should remain established in even after his decease. Simplicity refers to II Cor 11:3 and helps me not have to worry about what Calvinism is any more.

More of my thoughts? How about the fact that, reading the Bible in simplicity, I can't find pre-trib rapture taught in scripture, even though I was raised that way. I'm going to a Prophecy Club conference in Omaha Aug 9 Lord willing where David Eels will share with us about what the Lord [supernaturally?] gave him about the rapture. I'll keep an open mind for him.

How about the fact that those least esteemed in the church have a God ordained ministry of judging between believers in matters that might otherwise go to court (I Cor 6:4). You know, we don't even know who is least esteemed in our churches, and we certainly wouldn't want them judging! Instead we steal that ministry from them and give it to some paid staffer who has a degree in psychology or couselling.

How about the purpose of the Old Covenant. God states several times in several ways that He made the covenant with Israel to make them a better nation than other nations. Instead, we seem think that it was God's way of doling out eternal life to everyone before Christ. If you look, the life that the Old Covenant promises is referring to a good life on earth. The closest you can come to saying the Old Testament Law was the way to eternal life was when Jesus told the rich dude wanting eternal life to obey the law. But Jesus never said obeying the Law would give him eternal life. This is important in our understanding of Acts 15, which I'll let you look into.

How about the fact that God told Adam he would die in the day he would disobey? We talk about a thousand years equals a day, etc... But there is something else in the passage that I've never heard anyone talk about. You see that God said "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness...", but after Adam disobeyed, man lost that plurality: "Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil...". Before he disobeyed, man was in the image of all beings of God. After disobedience, only one of God. What happened? Death. Seems kind of far out, so I wouldn't run with it, but I ponder it a bit. Just because I believe in believing exactly what God says....

The Lord bless you!

 

[Drotar]

Man, you LOST me on every single point.

1 Thess. 4 in literal interpretation can lead you to hod to the pre-trib. Premillennialism is the most consistent theological system. Because it is ENTIRELY literal.

I've been thinking about the head covering. Perhaps I was wrong. Perhaps Paul wasn't ACTUALLY establishing culturla norms, but simply teaching a message IMPLICITLY that still stands tru etoday, instead of EXPLICITLY. Instead of believing that we should all cover our heads, maybe it's the underlying message of the head covering that he is emphasizing, instead of the actual act. TTYL Jesus loves you!

 

[kenneth558]

I'd better not go any further away from the subject of believing in prohets. I'll just say that the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy. He singles that gift out and it is a great gift, given without repentence - thank you, Lord! It is very closely related to calling those things that be not as though they were (Rom 4:17), if not identical. With prophecy, unbelievers are convinced of God (Dan 2, I Cor 14:24-25), so it is a much-needed witnessing tool.