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you said it perfectly!!To say that a person who accepts Christ as his Savior, and the Holy Spirit has entered into his body and he is born again, can somehow reject Jesus later in life, is to say that the Holy Spirit is not absolutely perfect because He made the mistake of entering into that person only to be rejected later. Now, does any person on this forum honestly believe that is possible?
When the Holy Spirit "baptizes" a person by entering into her or him, you can rest assurred that it is forever, and nobody will ever pluck that person out of our Savior's hand. The perfection and omniscience of God assures everyone so baptized that they are forever sealed by Him.
Therefore, once a person has been truly saved, that person is always saved.
There are lots of people who once claimed to be "Christian" but later left the church and rejected Jesus. Does anyone believe that any of them were honestly saved, and that despite what they might claim?
Matthan
If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God. Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. How much more severely do you think a man deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God under foot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified him, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace? For we know him who said, "It is mine to avenge; I will repay," and again, "The Lord will judge his people." It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
I have to say "no" to the question.
Salvation isn't some legally binding contract whereby God is now eternally obligated to "save" someone because he/she has "accepted" Jesus.
Salvation is based on a trust relationship between an undeserving sinner and a merciful God.
If there is no continued loving relationship between said sinner and God, then there is no salvation for the sinner.
Hebrews 10:26-31
Are you saying that salvation is based on the how much we love God?; On how long we are willling to love God?; How much we trust God?
The scripture you cited says (parapharsed) You are saved by grace because there is nothing left for you to do once Christ died for your sins.
And Amen AGAIN.Are you saying that salvation is based on the how much we love God?; On how long we are willling to love God?; How much we trust God?
The scripture you cited says (parapharsed) You are saved by grace because there is nothing left for you to do once Christ died for your sins.
Are you saying that salvation is based on the how much we love God?; On how long we are willling to love God?; How much we trust God?
The scripture you cited says (parapharsed) You are saved by grace because there is nothing left for you to do once Christ died for your sins.
I don't think that's what I said. I read my post again, and those weren't my words. Please don't accuse me of saying something that I didn't say.
Hebrews 10 is a warning not to return to a life of sin.
Salvation is based on a trust relationship between an undeserving sinner and a merciful God.
If there is no continued loving relationship between said sinner and God, then there is no salvation for the sinner.
No offense.Ok, but you said this:
I'll use only your words this time and forgive me if I offended you in any way.
I believe this: There is no "between" situation in salvation. That is why it seemed to me that you are giving co-credit for your salvation. I could have missunderstood you.
I disagree on Hebrews 10.
Once Jesus comes into your life
If you ask Him too, He is there in
A Heartbeat!
Personally, I rather use the term: Perseverence of the Saints. The term OSAS has some connotations that I do not like and which I do not believe are biblical.
So, in conclusion, my view is:
Everyone who is truly saved will always remain truly saved.
But we are Calvinists, so we are a little differant.
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