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I should send you one of my copies of a book by an RC college history professor named Garry Wills,, called "papal Sin-Structures of Deceit". He has a whole chapter on Maryphrenia. I haven't read his book named " Why I am Catholic", but I suspect it is a study in loyal opposition.

You know I cant read all those professor type books like you could, that (to me) would be the most boring of things to have to sit through. I wish I could make it through stuff like that without falling asleep before I get through the first page, I am dreading an all day mediation process next month, Im like, what am I going to do? I need a new tablet, I'll be fine then LOL

Maryphernia? ^_^
 
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You know I cant read all those professor type books like you could, that (to me) would be the most boring of things to have to sit through. I wish I could make it through stuff like that without falling asleep before I get through the first page, I am dreading an all day mediation process next month, Im like, what am I going to do? I need a new tablet, I'll be fine then LOL

Maryphernia? ^_^
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No! This guy is not dry and boring. And you can dip in and out of the book at leisure until you get motivated to read it all. It's only about 300 pages. I think i can send it general delivery to your town and you can pick it up at the P.O.
 
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I get creative with words.
No! This guy is not dry and boring. And you can dip in and out of the book at leisure until you get motivated to read it all. It's only about 300 pages. I think i can send it general delivery to your town and you can pick it up at the P.O.

Absolutely not, you do know the last book of any man (outside of scripture) that I read was over 20 years ago, I am going so good here, and I wont be able to say that anymore if I read the one you sent (as I would feel obligated). I was tempted a couple of years ago and actually ordered a book someone here made mention of in GT by someone I read but I never read the book, I should actually send it to you (if I can find it). I think its under one of my end tables I can check.
 
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I didn't propose it. Jesus demonstrated it in Like 11:27

[27] And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked.
[28] But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.

How does that passage demonstrate a limitation on God?
 
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God sent His Son made of a woman he come out her vagina, children give the right for a vessel to be called mother as that is the title given to one who bares another.

I just dont go around blessing her paps and womb and making doctrines centered around anothers vagina or her sex life, thats on your end of things
 
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Absolutely not, you do know the last book of any man (outside of scripture) that I read was over 20 years ago, I am going so good here, and I wont be able to say that anymore if I read the one you sent (as I would feel obligated). I was tempted a couple of years ago and actually ordered a book someone here made mention of in GT by someone I read but I never read the book, I should actually send it to you (if I can find it). I think its under one of my end tables I can check.
OK, fine... I haven't figured out how to post on a profile page yet, and you know how I hate pm protocols, but this is on topic, so I will quote a little, ahem:

"One support of the celebrate system has not been considered yet - the Virgin Mary. Modern popes tell priests to think of themselves as virgins consecrated to the Virgin.The study of the priesthood mentioned earlier - the one American bishops commissioned, and then canceled when they saw where it was going - found this trait in seminarians: " Mother dominance, or a prevalence of dominant unconscious mother image (an idealized view of women)." It is often said that Maryenhances the dignity of women. But for mysogenists an idealized mother is both safe in herself and an alternative to lesser women. The Virgin isrrepeatedly useful to prevent the ordination of women - if Mary was not a priest, how can they be? John Paul II even told woen that they do not need to bepriestssince they raise and dedicate the boys who will become priests, and they are in the thoughts of the priest as they stand at the alter and consecrate the host. We saw in an earlier chapter how Vatican dispatches on the subject of Mary's humility were used to torpedo the American bishops' attempts at a statement on the role of women in the modern world. No wonder the Catholic novelist Mary Gordon could write:

In my day, Mary was a stick to beat smart girls with. Her example was held up constantly; an example of silence, of subordination, of the pleasure of taking the back seat... For women like me, it was necessary to reject that image of Mary in order to hold onto the fragile hope of intellectual achievement, independence of identity, sexual fulfillment. Yet we were offered no alternative to this Marian image; hence, we were denied a potent female image whose application was universal.

Precisely because the Marian image held women back, it contributed to male immaturity as well as male power in the church (te two often go together). Sipe finds that a feeling of being "children of Mary" can infantilize spiritual life.
: "Both the idealization of women as virgin/mother and their demotion to a role less than equal to man stultify emotional growth and actually retard celibate development." The past development of a childish piety in minor seminaries helps explain the simplistic sermons that priests produced later on, and the endless concentration on Marian feasts and devotions all through the year. Intellectual adventure and depth in sermons was not for the "little people" who imitate the Virgin's submissiveness.
Although there has been a falling off of devotions like novenas and rosaries in much of the laity, the hierarchy is more Marianized than ever, and private apparitions to women and children result in waves of emotional weeping. Thus on two fronts, as it were, in the center and at the periphery, Marian devotion is kept white hot. The conservative minorityat Vatican II kept lamenting that Mary was not getting enough attention, that she should have been the subject of the treatise on the church, that her role in redemption and the distribution of graces should have been reaffirmed and emphasized. The only two formal exercises of papal infallibility in modern times have been definitions of Marian dogmas - her Immaculate Conception by Pius IX and of her Assumption into Heaven by Pius XII.
The popularity of Mary makes infallible statements about her hard to oppose. Her feast days fill the calendar, and there is constant pressure to add more. The dates of her various appearances are celebrated - John Paul II is sure that Our Lady of Fatima saved him from an assassin because the attempt made on his life occurred on the anniversary of Mary's first appearance to the children of Fatima in Portugal. He undertook a pilgrimage there to thank her for her intervention, and the bullet from Mehmet Ali Agca's gun is now mounted in the crown on the Virgin's statue in the Fatima shrine. "
 
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How does that passage demonstrate a limitation on God?
You didn't ask for a limitation on God, you clever man.
Shifting the goalpost is not fair play.
You asked if there was a limit on the exaltation.
Please don't try that again, or I will call foul.
All my fowl have been cooped up for the night.
 
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God sent His Son made of a woman he come out her vagina, children give the right for a vessel to be called mother as that is the title given to one who bares another.

I just dont go around blessing her paps and womb and making doctrines centered around anothers vagina or her sex life, thats on your end of things

I think that we should worship Jesus as God, and that we should be very respectful of God's Mother.
 
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You didn't ask for a limitation on God, you clever man.
Shifting the goalpost is not fair play.
You asked if there was a limit on the exaltation.
Please don't try that again, or I will call foul.
All my fowl have been cooped up for the night.

So what is the limitation on how much God can exalt a creature?
 
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I think we are contemplating on something that is irrelevant. It was not the name of the person who was picked by God but the Family she was apart of that mattered From all I understand Christ had to come from the bloodline of David and Mary was the one whose situation was perfect for the role she was given. Her name could have been any one of many in that bloodline.

God had all of this down before he created Adam and he knew what was needed and by his grace it came to pass when it was supposed to and with everybody he intended to be apart of that being there, ready and able.
 
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OK, fine... I haven't figured out how to post on a profile page yet, and you know how I hate pm protocols, but this is on topic, so I will quote a little, ahem:

"One support of the celebrate system has not been considered yet - the Virgin Mary. Modern popes tell priests to think of themselves as virgins consecrated to the Virgin.The study of the priesthood mentioned earlier - the one American bishops commissioned, and then canceled when they saw where it was going - found this trait in seminarians: " Mother dominance, or a prevalence of dominant unconscious mother image (an idealized view of women)." It is often said that Maryenhances the dignity of women. But for mysogenists an idealized mother is both safe in herself and an alternative to lesser women. The Virgin isrrepeatedly useful to prevent the ordination of women - if Mary was not a priest, how can they be? John Paul II even told woen that they do not need to bepriestssince they raise and dedicate the boys who will become priests, and they are in the thoughts of the priest as they stand at the alter and consecrate the host. We saw in an earlier chapter how Vatican dispatches on the subject of Mary's humility were used to torpedo the American bishops' attempts at a statement on the role of women in the modern world. No wonder the Catholic novelist Mary Gordon could write:

In my day, Mary was a stick to beat smart girls with. Her example was held up constantly; an example of silence, of subordination, of the pleasure of taking the back seat... For women like me, it was necessary to reject that image of Mary in order to hold onto the fragile hope of intellectual achievement, independence of identity, sexual fulfillment. Yet we were offered no alternative to this Marian image; hence, we were denied a potent female image whose application was universal.

Precisely because the Marian image held women back, it contributed to male immaturity as well as male power in the church (te two often go together). Sipe finds that a feeling of being "children of Mary" can infantilize spiritual life.
: "Both the idealization of women as virgin/mother and their demotion to a role less than equal to man stultify emotional growth and actually retard celibate development." The past development of a childish piety in minor seminaries helps explain the simplistic sermons that priests produced later on, and the endless concentration on Marian feasts and devotions all through the year. Intellectual adventure and depth in sermons was not for the "little people" who imitate the Virgin's submissiveness.
Although there has been a falling off of devotions like novenas and rosaries in much of the laity, the hierarchy is more Marianized than ever, and private apparitions to women and children result in waves of emotional weeping. Thus on two fronts, as it were, in the center and at the periphery, Marian devotion is kept white hot. The conservative minorityat Vatican II kept lamenting that Mary was not getting enough attention, that she should have been the subject of the treatise on the church, that her role in redemption and the distribution of graces should have been reaffirmed and emphasized. The only two formal exercises of papal infallibility in modern times have been definitions of Marian dogmas - her Immaculate Conception by Pius IX and of her Assumption into Heaven by Pius XII.
The popularity of Mary makes infallible statements about her hard to oppose. Her feast days fill the calendar, and there is constant pressure to add more. The dates of her various appearances are celebrated - John Paul II is sure that Our Lady of Fatima saved him from an assassin because the attempt made on his life occurred on the anniversary of Mary's first appearance to the children of Fatima in Portugal. He undertook a pilgrimage there to thank her for her intervention, and the bullet from Mehmet Ali Agca's gun is now mounted in the crown on the Virgin's statue in the Fatima shrine. "

LOL I saw you trying to catch my attention on that status update part (but not quite coming through there) I am the same way, and worse when it come to emails (I hate doing that, I understand).

So someone felt Mary was being left out and needed more attention?

What did she supposedly do?

Appear and say, "What ABOUT ME"??!!

In sort of a Jan Brady kind of way?

Marsha! Marsha! Marsha!
(Imagine a poltergiest voice) lol

Just kidding (couldnt resist)^_^

Its hard for me to imagine a whiney Mary who clamours for such a thing, I actaully cringe and think she would be probably mortified by it all.

Being used to divert from Christ.

Because I always saw that certain woman who began raising her voice in Christs presence (who was off blessing Marys paps and womb) and springboarding it off of him in some crazy sense of things as some sort of prophetic look into that which would come to pass elevating her over Jesus Christ. The whole Mary and worship of her paps (the nursing of Christ according to the flesh) and her womb (that bore him, the fruit thereof). But the displacement we see today. Jesus giving us a peek at it there, His words there express keeping such a thing in check because it really isnt focused correctly.

I want to be off these threads, in my sheer boredom do I come into them and because they are so absurd sometimes its hard not to say something. But on that end part again, what happened? he went to a geographical location to thank her in stone for the intervention (concerning a bullet) and got shot again? And another bullet is embedded in the statue crown? Did I get that right?

I dont know I dont follow these sorts of things ^_^
 
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I think that we should worship Jesus as God, and that we should be very respectful of God's Mother.

Your the only one in Marys vaginal affairs after God made his Son of her

God made Jesus both Lord and Christ, as he shall be called the Son of God.

Even God with us

Col 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

John 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me?

2Cr 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself,

John 8:16 ...I am not alone, but I and the Father that sent me.

Acts 10:38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.

God with us is shown there that way showing God with us even by God being in and with Christ
 
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Your the only one in Marys vaginal affairs after God made his Son of her

God made Jesus both Lord and Christ, as he shall be called the Son of God.

Even God with us

Col 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

John 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me?

2Cr 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself,

John 8:16 ...I am not alone, but I and the Father that sent me.

Acts 10:38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.

God with us is shown there that way showing God with us even by God being in and with Christ

Do you believe that Mary's Son is God?

Also, do you think that virginity is an unimportant thing?


An unmarried woman or virgin is concerned about the Lord's affairs: Her aim is to be devoted to the Lord in both body and spirit. But a married woman is concerned about the affairs of this world--how she can please her husband.
 
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