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Well find the "God will claim that on earth we were sinless like Christ, co-redeemers with Christ, and in heaven all-powerful like Christ" or that "no man comes to Christ but through you" etc.
in Christ,
Bob
"Without the Virgin Mary, there would be no Jesus Christ. Without the Virgin Mary there would be no Mother Church."
Yes or No?
Without the virgin Mary, God would have found the virgin Helen, or the virgin Ruth, or the virgin Penelope----It was never the "virgin" that saved us anymore than it was the boat that saved Noah and his family--It is God through Jesus Christ. God could have saved Noah without that boat if He so chose. He could have stood an elephant on four fig leaves to ride out the storm if He wanted. God is not limited by our limits. God never mentioned, by name, any certain virgin. "God Himself will provide.."
Without the virgin Mary, God would have found the virgin Helen, or the virgin Ruth, or the virgin Penelope----It was never the "virgin" that saved us anymore than it was the boat that saved Noah and his family--It is God through Jesus Christ. God could have saved Noah without that boat if He so chose. He could have stood an elephant on four fig leaves to ride out the storm if He wanted. God is not limited by our limits. God never mentioned, by name, any certain virgin. "God Himself will provide.."
Yet God did choose Mary and Mary is a Virgin and Jesus was born of Mary and the Church is the body of Christ who is Mary's son, so what's to object to in the statement? You're complaining about a hypothetical and the statement is about what actually happened. Seems kind of weird for you to do that.
I am not complaining--just answering the question!!!--Nothing weird about it. Mary could have refused--another vessel would have been found. End result would have been the same--I do not understand your weird complaint!!!
God will always win in the end!
But Mary did not refuse and Christ was born of Mary and the church is Christ's body and he is Mary's son. Like I said the facts back the statement.
Yet God did choose Mary and Mary is a Virgin and Jesus was born of Mary and the Church is the body of Christ who is Mary's son.
It depends on what the SDA says really. In face to face contact with SDAs good manners and better theology seem common.LOL--Coffee--I declare--I think sometimes you disagree just because you think you can't possibly agree with anything an SDA would say!!
For crying out loud--if Mary had refused, and God had asked virgin Helen and she had agreed, then you'd all be worshiping the Virgin Helen--the only difference would be the name, you all would have still gone the way you did so the Caholic Church would still have been the same, just a name would have changed!! No reason in the world to disagree with that, how does that step on your toes??--God does not force. Mary was willing. So we all know she did not refuse---I was just answering the OP's question which had nothing to do with the facts, it's a "what if" question!!--Chill out, go oil your feathers!
Furthermore, if you claim to be part of His Church (His Body), you must have Mary as your mother......if you follow the bible that is.
Without the virgin Mary, God would have found the virgin Helen, or the virgin Ruth, or the virgin Penelope----It was never the "virgin" that saved us anymore than it was the boat that saved Noah and his family--It is God through Jesus Christ. God could have saved Noah without that boat if He so chose. He could have stood an elephant on four fig leaves to ride out the storm if He wanted. God is not limited by our limits. God never mentioned, by name, any certain virgin. "God Himself will provide.."
Saul/Paul was also a "vessel of choice" to carry the Gospel message, to the Jews first, and then the Gentiles.No, I don't agree with either statement. God could have chosen another person if he wanted to.
Mary was a vessel for Jesus, and we all can be used to be God's vessel is his choice and there is no way any person can stop God's plans
Context my friend. None of the women you mention is the mother of the Head of the ChurchSarah is my mother.
Ruth is my mother.
Rachel is my mother.
Mary is my mother.
Elizabeth is my mother.
Hannah is my mother.
Esther is my mother.
Rahab is my mother.
Deborah is mother.
Anyone who does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.
if you say soYou mean, follow it like the pope does.
Context my friend. None of the women you mention is the mother of the Head of the Church
Furthermore, if you claim to be part of His Church (His Body), you must have Mary as your mother......if you follow the bible that is.
Sarah is my mother.
Ruth is my mother.
Rachel is my mother.
Mary is my mother.
Elizabeth is my mother.
Hannah is my mother.
Esther is my mother.
Rahab is my mother.
Deborah is mother.
Anyone who does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.
It is amazing how far folk will go to minimise statements made in praise of the blessed virgin Mary. Truly amazing.
Do you consider the statement of Christ amazingly minimalistic??
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