do you agree with this Statement of Faith?

[Bushido216]

Bushido - I think that was Aslan rather than Jesus.

No, it was definitely Jesus. It was one of my lessons, I just can't remember which or I'd look it up.

 

[MagusAlbertus]

are you refering to those who are not against Crist are with him?

 

[Bushido216]

It was someone who was not Jewish helping out the people.

 

[ej]

We really need to ask why a church would produce its own 'statement of faith' when a universal one already exists, and has been in existence since the 4th Century AD

Nicene Creed

We believe in one God,
the Father, the Almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all that is, seen and unseen.
We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ,
the only Son of God,
eternally begotten of the Father,
God from God, light from light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made,
of one Being with the Father;
through him all things were made.
For us and for our salvation
he came down from heaven,
was incarnate of the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary
and became truly human.
For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate;
he suffered death and was buried.
On the third day he rose again
in accordance with the Scriptures;
he ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead,
and his kingdom will have no end.

We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father [and the Son],
who with the Father and the Son is worshiped and glorified,
who has spoken through the prophets.
We believe in one holy catholic* and apostolic Church.
We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.
We look for the resurrection of the dead,
and the life of the world to come.
Amen.

 

[Markh]

who created the statement of faith on the first page? I mean I have issues with 6 as Faith alone won't get you into heaven, good deeds are required too.

 

[ej]

who created the statement of faith on the first page? I mean I have issues with 6 as Faith alone won't get you into heaven, good deeds are required too.

Faith without works is dead...

but...

It is by faith we are saved. So works without faith won't save you either.

In a nutshell

 

[Bushido216]

It's for his Player Association (guild) called "The Consecrated". It's for Star Wars Galaxies: An Empire Divided, an MMOG.

It was started by Bible-belt Conservative Christians and appeals to Bible-belt Conservative Christians. That would explain why everyone agrees with that SoF, since only Bible-belt, Conservative Christians would consider applying.

 

[ej]

My (amateur) view is that the Nicene Creed from 4thC AD leaves such issues open - almost an admission that we do not (yet) know the answer.

eg- it states that 'through Him, all things were made', but it doesn't go into detail of HOW they were made. Because we don't know.

Now... why would a sect of Christians change this statement of faith? The obvious conclusion is that they think they do know the answer. Why? Beats me.

 

[Bushido216]

I think it was an attempt at excluding Mormon's, honestly.

 

[lucaspa]

Faith without works is dead...

but...

It is by faith we are saved. So works without faith won't save you either.

In a nutshell

Right, but ej, if you look carefully at what Markh said, he was saying that you needed both faith and works. Which is what you are saying. If you yell "I have faith, I am saved" but your works don't demonstrate that faith, then you don't have the faith. #6 doesn't acknowledge works at all. It says that faith alone without any works (what you call dead faith) is enough.

 

[ej]

Glad we agree

 

[lucaspa]

My (amateur) view is that the Nicene Creed from 4thC AD leaves such issues open - almost an admission that we do not (yet) know the answer. eg- it states that 'through Him, all things were made', but it doesn't go into detail of HOW they were made. Because we don't know.

I think it was an admission that it didn't matter. In the 4th century, most Christians were Biblical literalists and took Genesis 1 and 2 literally. But they didn't put it into the Creed because they were smart enough to know that the really essential thing was that God created. It was not important at all how God created. They were better logicians than modern day creationists and knew better than to tie belief in God to a particular how that God created.

Now... why would a sect of Christians change this statement of faith? The obvious conclusion is that they think they do know the answer. Why? Beats me.

There are other conclusions. One would be that they think that they can "prove" the existence of God by "proving" a particular method of creation. So you tie an unprovable statement -- God exists -- to a very testable (and provable) statement on how God created -- Creation Science. The problem arises, of course, when the testing disproves your "proof". Now, because you have tied the two together, your untestable statement is also disproved.

Then, rather than admit you screwed up in tying the two statements together in the first place (sin of pride), you simply reject science and thus get rid of the "disproof".

 

[lucaspa]

Notice the poll choices:
1. Accept the SoF and "it means you can’t believe in evolution "
3. "NO, because it precludes belief in evolution "

Reject science/evolution based on your SoF. Better idea: make a statement of faith that doesn't make the mistake of illogically tying your untestable faith to statements testable by science.