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That's like saying the Logos of God cannot supercede the Logos of God.Messiahs Words cannot supersede Gods Words
I simply can't imagine this kind of statement resembling anything good.NT supersedes the OT is one of the most anti-Scriptural statements ever made.
I simply can't imagine this kind of statement resembling anything good.
Yes 69.23% of the books are in the OT. What does that prove? Nothing. And what else would Jesus quote besides the law, prophets and Pslams? If Jesus is being quoted what He said wasn't written. So I guess that you now claim the Gospels aren't the Scritpure either. Seeing that Paul wrote nearly half of the NT It wasn't quoteable either. Now Peter calls Paul's writings Scripture or on the same level as Scripture.He said that in light of the fact that most of the Bible is the OT! Jesus and Paul quoted extensively from the OT! Does that make sense? Therefore why would anyone want to throw out the OT? Paul said "all scripture is profitable for doctrine and instruction in righteousness."
Excuse me. You just went way to broad by including the prophets. However surely you must admit, the Mosaic law was fullfilled, and done away with? You mention morality, yet no one was ever moral under law, not in it's truest sense, or Christ died for no reason, Galatians 2:21. Surely you agree with the sciptures? I hope! Source.
Who said anything about annihilation of anything. The grace people have not thrown out or destroyed the OT. They have it in its proper perspective. The OC doesn't have power or authority over the NC. If it did we don't have a NC. Jesus didn't say this is the remodeled covenant.With that you make my point. If the Law is done away (as if) than why not the Prophets? Both were said to last with the earth. And with your thinking, do you really think there should be no seeking to live morally? That seems rather like gnostics, who taught that it did not matter what their body was doing.
In what way?I simply can't imagine this kind of statement resembling anything good.
Primarily, the OT was God's dealings with his people Israel.
Secondly, the NT was the advent/birth of Jesus Christ wherein God the Father's Promise is founded on better promises. -(Forgiveness of sins)-
What we want to do is reconcile the OT God with NT Revelation/Message.
That is I what I think, in theory.
Who said anything about annihilation of anything. The grace people have not thrown out or destroyed the OT. They have it in its proper perspective. The OC doesn't have power or authority over the NC. If it did we don't have a NC. Jesus didn't say this is the remodeled covenant.
The law people wish to make the OC the rule of faith. If one can't posess eternal life through the OC, how does it do what the NC does? If it can't give it how can it maintain it? What does my friend Jeremiah say? What does Jesus say? Which one said we get or have a remodeled covenant? Neither, that's who!!! Jesus doesn't teach the law no matter how much Truthwave7 points to Mat 19. I point one to John 10 and 17 also the words of Jesus.
The OT is reconciled to the NT. The truth of the matter is the covenants aren't the same as promised in the OT. One can never make them the same. The NC covenant is based on better promises as Hebrews 8:6 states. So they don't even have the same foundation. New as used is different from the previously established covenant. There is no getting around not according to... or the new testament in My blood.
What do you mean a rule of faith?The law people wish to make the OC the rule of faith.
What you need to understand is that salvation is through Messiahs blood and trust in the God of Israel. Either of which are not limited or confined to any covenant, dispensation or anything. The blood of Messiah was shed before the foundation of the world, so salvation is not a chronologically marked instance.If one can't possess eternal life through the OC, how does it do what the NC does?
Im not going to sit here and argue with you about whether or not our salvation is a once in a lifetime event, or if it must be maintained by something. What I am sure of is that Messiah and the Scriptures are pretty explicit that its not simply about believing, but rather manifesting our faith, through obedience to Gods Will. work out your salvation with fear and trembling, persevere to the end, entry to the Kingdom and the Tree of Life, by those who do Gods will and keep His Commandments, -- I for one think that therell be many surprises at the end of the day. That is what Matthew 7 seems to so clearly suggest, that many will say Lord, Lord, or claim to have done things in His name, and believed in Him, but He will say depart from me, to those who did not do the will of God the Father.If it can't give it how can it maintain it?
The OT is reconciled to the NT. The truth of the matter is the covenants aren't the same as promised in the OT. One can never make them the same. The NC covenant is based on better promises as Hebrews 8:6 states. So they don't even have the same foundation. New as used is different from the previously established covenant. There is no getting around not according to... or the new testament in My blood.
Ummm, the same rule of faith the non-Christian Jews of today go by?What do you mean a rule of faith?
Ummm, the same rule of faith the non-Christian Jews of today go by?
2 Corin 3:14 But was calloused the minds of them.
For until the today, the same covering/kalumma <2571> upon the reading of the Old Covenant/Testament is remaining, no being up-covered/ana-kaluptomenon <343> (5746).
That In Christ it is being-taken-away
Revelation 1:1 An un-covering-veiling/apo-kaluyiV <602> of Jesus Christ which gives to him, the God, to show to the bondservants of Him which things is binding to be becoming in swiftness
And He signifies it, commissioning thru the Messenger of Him, to the bondservants of Him, John.
Try reading Revelation in relation to the covenantle parable of the rich man and lazarusStill don't know what you are referring to.
Do you mean they try to keep the commandments in order to attain salvation?
You can't? What does new mean?I have yet to find one single soul who can show me in Jeremiah 31 and Hebrews 8 where God says that the NC will have BETTER or even NEWER Laws.
This is nowhere to be found, do you know why?? Because theres no SUCH THING as a NEW LAW.
Gods Law is perfect. Do you know what perfect means?
Gods Law is righteousness. Do you know what righteousness means?
Gods Law is spiritual. Do you know what spiritual means?
Gods Law is Truth. Do you know what Truth means?
Gods Law is His Word. Do you know what His Word means?
Gods Law is better than gold. Do you know what better than gold means?
Gods Law is sweeter than honey. Do you know what sweeter than honey means?
Gods Law is faithful. Do you know what faithful means?
Gods Law is a lamp and light to my feet. Do you know what a lamp and light to your feet are?
Give me ONE good reason, better yet ONE verse in the NC passage that even insinuates a NEW and improved Law of God?
We can discuss that on this thread if ya likeYou can't? What does new mean?
We also have John 15:10 and I John 3:23. Both show new law and laws (commandments). Both use the word commandment(s). Jesus tells Nicodemus that one must be born again, not follow the law. Jesus says He is the door and anyone who tries something else is a theif - John 10. Jesus says the only way to access the Father is through Him - John 14. Jesus doesn't give any other options.
Do you read the forum or just post nonsense about a post you quote? Is Hebrews 8:6 in your Bible? It is in everything I have or can find. If it isn't according to what was established, how can it not be new? The statement is found in both Jeremiah and Hebrews in all my Bibles and those I can find.
If there is no new law then Jesus must be lying in Mat 5:23 and John 13:34. John must be lying in I John 3:23.
Sure do understand what God's law is perfect means. I also understand that one can't possess eternal life by submission to that law as in the OC law. See Jer 31:31-34 and Heb 8:8-11.
Not lived by or list of rules to maintain our faith.What do you mean a rule of faith?
What you need to understand is that salvation is through Messiahs blood and trust in the God of Israel. Either of which are not limited or confined to any covenant, dispensation or anything. The blood of Messiah was shed before the foundation of the world, so salvation is not a chronologically marked instance.
Im not going to sit here and argue with you about whether or not our salvation is a once in a lifetime event, or if it must be maintained by something. What I am sure of is that Messiah and the Scriptures are pretty explicit that its not simply about believing, but rather manifesting our faith, through obedience to Gods Will. work out your salvation with fear and trembling, persevere to the end, entry to the Kingdom and the Tree of Life, by those who do Gods will and keep His Commandments, -- I for one think that therell be many surprises at the end of the day. That is what Matthew 7 seems to so clearly suggest, that many will say Lord, Lord, or claim to have done things in His name, and believed in Him, but He will say depart from me, to those who did not do the will of God the Father.
So although it is easy to claim salvation and disregard the life of obedience that is to follow, I think we are better of trying to understand and figure out if God requires more from us than just simply believe.
While salvation may not be a marked chronoligical event it certianly is affected chronoligically. Before the foundation of the world doesn't show when effected. It shows that it was in the plan as in a part of the manifestation of God's love for mankind and why our enemy is so jealous, angry and bitter.What do you mean a rule of faith?
What you need to understand is that salvation is through Messiahs blood and trust in the God of Israel. Either of which are not limited or confined to any covenant, dispensation or anything. The blood of Messiah was shed before the foundation of the world, so salvation is not a chronologically marked instance.
Im not going to sit here and argue with you about whether or not our salvation is a once in a lifetime event, or if it must be maintained by something. What I am sure of is that Messiah and the Scriptures are pretty explicit that its not simply about believing, but rather manifesting our faith, through obedience to Gods Will. work out your salvation with fear and trembling, persevere to the end, entry to the Kingdom and the Tree of Life, by those who do Gods will and keep His Commandments, -- I for one think that therell be many surprises at the end of the day. That is what Matthew 7 seems to so clearly suggest, that many will say Lord, Lord, or claim to have done things in His name, and believed in Him, but He will say depart from me, to those who did not do the will of God the Father.
So although it is easy to claim salvation and disregard the life of obedience that is to follow, I think we are better of trying to understand and figure out if God requires more from us than just simply believe.
I also would point him to this threadNot lived by or list of rules to maintain our faith.
Yes salvation isn't static. That is why we are led by the Holy Spirit (a dynamic living force) and not the law a (static dead force). I point you to Romans 8, 12 and Gal 5.
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