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Do you agree that Christians should obey all 613 commandments?

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As Jesus stated in Mat. 5:17 "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy , but to fulfil .
When something is fulfilled, it means it is completed. There is nothing left to do. On the cross Jesus said, " IT IS FINISHED." We are no longer obligated to be under the Law, nor should we as Christians try to be. If you are trying to live by the Law, then you make Grace of no avail. Jesus died for nothing. We are under a new and better covenant.

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Jesus Fulfilled the law of sacrifice by being the sacrifice. He fulfilled the law of 10 Cs by obeying it. He says not one little part shall pass from the law until all be fulfilled. All prophecy is not fulfilled. He fulfilled the law that requires death peanalty and a sin offering, but He teaches the law of the 10 Cs. How do we keep missing the fact that Jesus teaches from the 10 Cs?



Did Jesus Fullfill the law of fornication or adultery by abolishing it? No he did not. Heres the proof:

1Th 4:1 Furthermore then we beseech you, brethren, and exhort you by the Lord Jesus, that as ye have received of us how ye ought to walk and to please God, so ye would abound more and more.
1Th 4:2 For ye know what commandments we gave you by the Lord Jesus.
1Th 4:3 For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication:
1Th 4:4 That every one of you should know how to possess his vessel in sanctification and honour;
1Th 4:5 Not in the lust of concupiscence, even as the Gentiles which know not God:
1Th 4:6 That no man go beyond and defraud his brother in any matter: because that the Lord is the avenger of all such, as we also have forewarned you and testified.
1Th 4:7 For God hath not called us unto uncleanness, but unto holiness.
1Th 4:8 He therefore that despiseth, despiseth not man, but God, who hath also given unto us his holy Spirit.
1Th 4:9 But as touching brotherly love ye need not that I write unto you: for ye yourselves are taught of God to love one another.


Does Jesus teach from the law of 10 Cs? Yes He does.



Mathew 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? 17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. 18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, 19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.


Notic He says and, not or?

Paul teaches us to abstain from Idolatry, fornication and adultery along with many other things contained in the law. Therefor logic demands that the law is not dead. Besides, if we have the law in our heart how can it be finished?
 
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Christians do not need to follow any laws of the Old Testament as per "Since you are not under law but under grace." in Romans 6:14. But if a God convicts a Christians heart to follow a certain command they should surely be a faithful and obedient servant.
 
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Prophecy was not a part of the Law. There were laws concerning the prophets, but not prophecy in and of itself. You keep harking on the 10 Commandments; what of the other 603 laws.
 
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Prophecy was not a part of the Law. There were laws concerning the prophets, but not prophecy in and of itself. You keep harking on the 10 Commandments; what of the other 603 laws.

I hark on the ones Jesus and Paul do. If any other law of moses fulfills the requirement of love and holiness, then i'll hark on that one too
 
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That covers the law of salvation and how it relates to the law of Moses, but what about Holiness. Paul preaches obedience unto holiness. He preaches abstaining from adultery, fornication and other works of the the flesh. And what about the law of love? Paul says we obey thou shall not steal, covet, bear false witness or commit adultery for the sake of love.


We have the law of faith
the law of holiness
the law of love.

Paul talks about all three and this is when we get confused. Hes talking about 3 different kinds of law that are all connected to the law of moses
 
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And as far as the 10 Commandments go, if you want to get technical, Jesus condensed them to 2. Mark 12: "28 And one of the scribes came , and having heard them reasoning together , and perceiving that he had answered them well, asked him, Which is the first commandment of all? 29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear , O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: 30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. 31 And the second is like, namely this , Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these."

These two actually cover all 10. Moreover, if you want to live by the Law, where do you keep your perfect lamb for sacrifice? For if you live by the Law, you must follow all of them. Yes, Jesus did become the sacrifice for all sin, but if you are under the Law you are not under the Grace brought about by Jesus' sacrifice. Therefore, if you sin, and everyone does to some extent, you will, according to the Law, have to sacrifice a lamb. Personally, I prefer to be under Grace so that when I sin, I have only to ask Jesus for forgiveness. If you want to try and live by the Laws of Moses given to Israel that is fine with me. I wish you all the luck in the world. As a brother on here states; Know Law, no grace. No Law, Know Grace.

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Well i know one thing, i don't want to judge myself according to the law but i must. Its not a pretty picture. Self righteousness is not a factor for me. The same with being Holy, im lacking, the same with love, im lacking. But do i throw out that which shows my error? No, I ponder it and pray to the lord for Guidance. What else can i do? Should i declare my actions to be righteous because faith has made me so? No, because no one is good, not one.



Jesus teaches from the 10 cs. I'll go with that i guess.
 
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Paul said that "love thy neighbor" is a saying that briefly comprehends the law. So if Jesus condensed it, the original law still applies. Jesus preached the last 5 commandments and added love thy neighbor as self which also means that they are not necessarily always the same. Maybe because the law has 3 different purposes, Love, condemnation and Holiness. Faith doesn't need the law but what about holiness and love, it appears they do need the law.
 
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Please show me where, in scripture, that the Law brings about holiness.

Now, in one aspect, I do believe we should try to follow the 10 Commandments. But we cant even do that. Yes, Jesus taught from the 10 Commandments and quoted OT Scripture, because at that time, it was all they had. But after His sacrifice and resurrection, a new and better covenant was brought about. Now I see that you keep going back to the 10 Commandments. But like i asked before, what about the other 603? Thats what this thread is about. Following all 613 Laws. They, including the 10 Commandments, cannot bring about our salvation. The main purpose of the Laws were to bring to light just what sin was. The Law cannot bring about righteousness, or holiness. We are declared righteous in the sight of God by accepting Jesus as our Lord and Saviour. Our holiness is brought about by the process of sanctification.

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Does God's Law stand forever, or doesn't it?
I guess it depends on what you're calin g God's law? If it is the laws of the covenant with Israel, they have been replaced. Refer to the Sermon on the Mount. Jesus said of the 10 Cs you have heard it said... then says but I say.... This is effectively changing the law. Remember Dr Luke states that the law was until John.
 
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Many of those 603 are ceremonial laws for the OC and we are not Jews under the OC and we have no Jewish temple. So those laws are of no concern to us. Some laws are sacrificial laws and some require a death penalty which Christ fulfilled Himself so no need for those.


Jesus teaches some of the remaining laws. Thats all i know.
 
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May i join the celebration?


Mathew 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? 17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. 18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, 19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
 
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Just where is this? Did Jesus teach sin? No. He didn't teach law either. See the Sermon on the Mount.
Does Jesus teach from the law of 10 Cs? Yes He does.
Where is this? Is this really teaching the 10 Cs or answering a question put to Him personally? Which commandment is Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself? I missed that one in my Bible. Can I ask a dumb question? Why is it insisted that one teaches sin if they don't teach keeping the 10 Cs? We have a different covenant and don't follow a codified written law by rote. We have the leading of the Holy Spirit. Incidence isn't obedience. Does it make sense that God would lead us back towhat He delivered us from?
 
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