Do you agree that christians should keep the 10 Commandments?

[Rajni]

[FONT=&quot]Folks, one thing that seems to have been overlooked is a verse which strongly suggests that what one thinks is the Law might not even be valid. I made mention of it in posts [/FONT][FONT=&quot]#582 [/FONT][FONT=&quot]and [/FONT][FONT=&quot]#590 [/FONT][FONT=&quot], but I’ll bring it up again:[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Take a look at Jeremiah 8:8, which states:[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]"'How can you say, "We are wise, for we have the law of the LORD," when actually the lying pen of the scribes has handled it falsely?” [/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]I checked my lexicon to see what “the law” precisely was, and, sure enough, it is that over which we are debating in this thread, the [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Torah, especially the Decalogue or Pentateuch.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]So, to reiterate, not only do we know that the Law – whatever it was supposed to be – has been fulfilled by Christ and therefore abolished, but what is outlined in Scripture as being The Law might not even be accurate, according to Jeremiah 8:8. [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]This just lends credence (in my mind) to my previously-expressed sentiment in post [/FONT]#[FONT=&quot]549[/FONT][FONT=&quot] about holding the Bible in such high regard, as has been my usual habit. Not only have there been shenanigans pulled by translators, but even the original scribes may have been screwing around with things!

This is a major turning-point for me, and I'm thankful for this discussion because otherwise I wouldn't have given Jeremiah 8:8 a second glance! This is big, as it forces me to trust Jesus even more and a so-called "holy book" even less !

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[Rick Otto]

I think understanding it more will instruct us how to trust it.
Did you know the four gospels are written anonymously & their authors were assigned to them?
Follow truth, not pedigree.

 

[from scratch]

Chaela and from Scrath seem to imply that the 10 commandments are abolished or removed because,

1. It is impossible to keep them.
2. Because they can not be kept, we are always guilty of breaking all of them.
3. The 10 does not and can not provide salvation.

I have never so implied. It is a well know fact that my positions is frimly based on Jer 31:31-34 with Jesus' and others testimony the new covenant exists which don't include the 10 Cs as a unit. I certainly have and do confess there are similarities between the covenants. I have also been know to make the statement that incidence isn't obedience.

Reply. Rom. 3
21But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; 22Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
23For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
24Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

Is was always known that it was impossible to keep the law. From Scrath pointed out from Ps. 53 and Paul made that clear in 23 above but the law still was. Son to use that as a reason for removal is flawed.

I don't advocate removal of the law. The changing of the covenants by God does that. God Himself superceded the old law. As such it isn't violatable any longer because it has no jusridiction. Please explain Romans 7:6, 7, Gal 5:18, James 2:10, 11 for us.

Sinners we are breaking the law we will. just like Paul in Rom.7.
The fact that salvation is not in keeping the law is not new in verse 21 above Paul says that it is witnessed by the law and the prophets. Jesus is the lamb slain from the foundation of the world. Why? Because all even from Adam are saved by Christ. The law exist then, salvation was the same then. why do we now have to remove the law? Jesus and Paul did not removed it. We are misapplying what they have said to make that point and when it is thought out it just can not make sense. No explanation given make sense.

Why doesn't Jer 31:31-34 make sense in this application?

How can we by the indwelling of the Holy Spirit keep the 10 commandments,(not lying, stealing or adultery. God as our only God and all others) and advocated that the are not for Christians. How does that make sense?

Where does the Bible suggest that we can keep the law (10 Cs) by the indwelling of the Holy Spirit?

Faith or love can not solve this dilemma.

Scripture disagrees.

What I have found too is that those scriptures that support the law are ignored or some ridiculous explanation given that has nothing to with the text. Salvation is the same for all men, for all time, so is the 10 commandments, it is the standard of God's judgment. Those who did not asked for forgiveness for breaking the law would be condemned. Asking for forgiveness daily is the key not removing the law.

The mere mention of the law isn't the same as causing obligation to the law. Many times these citations of the law are a known building point to say something else. All of the NT texts used to support the law as an obligation are taken out of context.

 

[Lionroot]

Be careful Steve. That kind of talk is likely to get you strung up here.

The answer is: we ain't under no laws, and we can do what we want.

Some may not think that's fair, but essentially that is the argument. It is a great question. Keep reading the Bible...

God bless!

Isaiah 4:1

 

[Harry3142]

Jesus Christ was asked which law was the most important. His answer should give us pause to think. He stated that there were two laws that were more important than all the others. One of them was the law "Love your God with all your heart..."(Deuteronomy 6:4); the other was "Love your neighbor..."(Leviticus 19:18b).

As I have just pointed out, both of these laws are found in Torah; they just aren't part of The Ten Commandments. So for us to say that any law is necessary for our salvation without Jesus Christ's actually having quoted that law as being necessary could very well be a colossal mistake.

 

[Elder 111]

it is amazing really, no one has any issues regarding the ongoing validity of 1,2,3,5,6,7,8,9,10 but almost every christian these days has a problem with #4.

i would like to know why that is, not from a theological PoV from people's personal viewpoints.

If most people on here are anything like me, they ignore the Sabbath as that is what everyone in their congregation does, and those before them. Most people never actually think about it for themselves. Why is this?


Steve

The Sabbath in most cases brings the most commercial activity. To take the Sabbath seriously would be a problem there. Money before God.

 

[Elder 111]

Anything done without faith is sin.

Acknowledging God 10 commandments is a lack of Faith?

To know to do good and not do good is sin.

Yes and the ten let us know what is Good That is what Paul meant Rom 7: 7What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

I am a parent. I understand what you are trying to say . Even if my children do not commit adultry or steal or kill does not make them righteous.

As a parent you have rules, do expect God our eternal parent would not have rules that we need to obey? If we keep the rules, in this case the ten commandments, it is not that it is a means of salvation. That is the stumbling block used but that is not of God's word nor w3hat is being put forward here. Jesus Himself say plainly if you love me keep my commandments. Salvation is only in the blood of Christ but not at the expense of obedience to His Holy 10. You child loves you. does that mean it can break or ignore you rules? What kind of love is that? No thief, murderer, adulterer, or the like will be in Heaven. Is that so? Then it is those that breath God's law, His holy ten commandments. Rev. 12 states clear who is God"s people. 17And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Only one way to righteousness and that is Christ.

Yes.

A person can go through out life not stealing. Does that make them saved?

Yes. But who can go through life claiming to be God's and disregard His rules?
Even our country have laws. What kind of God can we have without laws? How can we say that the First one is not important to God?

 

[Elder 111]

Why is Romans 5:13 and Gal 3:19 ignored? Sin was berode the law according to both. That means that the law isn't required to sin. Transgression and sin are the same thing.

Gal 3:19 also shows the law is finished as does Luke 16:16.

You would ignore the biblical definition for sin then?

 

[Elder 111]

If one commits adultery are they faithful to their spouce?

No. Nor to God most of all!

 

[Elder 111]

I must be getting old and feeble. I couldn't find a reference to the mercy seat in heaven in Hebrews 9. I don't find tha Ark of the Covenant there either.

You did not look.

 

[Elder 111]

Hypothetically, but not in reality.

God.

 

[Elder 111]

[FONT=&quot]Folks, one thing that seems to have been overlooked is a verse which strongly suggests that what one thinks is the Law might not even be valid. I made mention of it in posts [/FONT][FONT=&quot]#582 [/FONT][FONT=&quot]and [/FONT][FONT=&quot]#590 [/FONT][FONT=&quot], but I’ll bring it up again:[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Take a look at Jeremiah 8:8, which states:[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]"'How can you say, "We are wise, for we have the law of the LORD," when actually the lying pen of the scribes has handled it falsely?” [/FONT]
​

[FONT=&quot]I checked my lexicon to see what “the law” precisely was, and, sure enough, it is that over which we are debating in this thread, the [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Torah, especially the Decalogue or Pentateuch.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]So, to reiterate, not only do we know that the Law – whatever it was supposed to be – has been fulfilled by Christ and therefore abolished, but what is outlined in Scripture as being The Law might not even be accurate, according to Jeremiah 8:8. [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]This just lends credence (in my mind) to my previously-expressed sentiment in post [/FONT]#[FONT=&quot]549[/FONT][FONT=&quot] about holding the Bible in such high regard, as has been my usual habit. Not only have there been shenanigans pulled by translators, but even the original scribes may have been screwing around with things!

This is a major turning-point for me, and I'm thankful for this discussion because otherwise I wouldn't have given Jeremiah 8:8 a second glance! This is big, as it forces me to trust Jesus even more and a so-called "holy book" even less !

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God's word is sure.

 

[BondiHarry]

As a covenant for salvation the only people who were called to keep the 10 commandments of Mosaic law were the children of Israel, no other man was ever under that covenant. For Christians of course we are not under a 'law' but under grace. We should keep in mind that man is fallen into sin and God wants us to be holy. One of the purposes of 'the law' was to show sinful man what sin was since then as now men hate to think the lusts of the flesh are sinful. Another purpose of 'the law' was to teach men we cannot of our own will and discipline keep the law and were in need of a savior.

Another thing we know about 'the law' is that it is not made for the righteous but for the wicked and Jesus' righteousness is imputed to His followers.

The bottom line I believe is that grace achieves for holiness what the law never could and that no Christian is under 'the law'. In living holy lives of course we refrain from doing the things that the law forbids men to do but this obedience is not because of the law but because of grace and God's Holy Spirit dwelling within the believer conforming him to the likeness of Christ.

 

[Rajni]

God's word is sure.

[FONT=&amp]"God's word" as in Jesus? Yes. "God's word" as in a book, not so much.

The Word became flesh, not print.
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[Lionroot]

"God's word" as in Jesus? Yes. "God's word" as in a book, not so much.

The Word became flesh, not print.
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Yeah...we know the scripture. You do not deny that the Bible is the word of God? You do not reject the scriptures right?

Isaiah 4:1

 

[Rajni]

Yeah...we know the scripture. You do not deny that the Bible is the word of God? You do not reject the scriptures right?

The bible doesn’t call itself the word of God. It calls Jesus the word of God. A good thing, too… see my previous post, #[FONT=&quot]621[/FONT].

John 5:39-40


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[Elder 111]

As a covenant for salvation the only people who were called to keep the 10 commandments of Mosaic law were the children of Israel, no other man was ever under that covenant. For Christians of course we are not under a 'law' but under grace. We should keep in mind that man is fallen into sin and God wants us to be holy. One of the purposes of 'the law' was to show sinful man what sin was since then as now men hate to think the lusts of the flesh are sinful. Another purpose of 'the law' was to teach men we cannot of our own will and discipline keep the law and were in need of a savior.

Another thing we know about 'the law' is that it is not made for the righteous but for the wicked and Jesus' righteousness is imputed to His followers.

The bottom line I believe is that grace achieves for holiness what the law never could and that no Christian is under 'the law'. In living holy lives of course we refrain from doing the things that the law forbids men to do but this obedience is not because of the law but because of grace and God's Holy Spirit dwelling within the believer conforming him to the likeness of Christ.

The obedience is not because of the law but because of grace. Is this obedience limited to 9 or all ten commandments?

 

[Elder 111]

[FONT=&amp]"God's word" as in Jesus? Yes. "God's word" as in a book, not so much.

The Word became flesh, not print.
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If not the written word then we are left without a guide. I say you say. God is not an author of confusion. His word is sure. Our bending of that word is a problem. God power is not limited and He has made sure that the truth is there for everyone to know it.

 

[Cheer5]

Unbelieveable!!

This thread is a sign of the times we live in.

The question is a contradiction in itself!

'Do Christians keep the 10 commandment'
I can't believe I reading this!

So i'll answer very straight forward,

YES! They are COMMANDS! Not requests!
God bless you.

 

[bbbbbbb]

Unbelieveable!!

This thread is a sign of the times we live in.

The question is a contradiction in itself!

'Do Christians keep the 10 commandment'
I can't believe I reading this!

So i'll answer very straight forward,

YES! They are COMMANDS! Not requests!
God bless you.

I don't think anyone has questioned the nature of the COMMANDMENTS as being COMMANDMENTS and not REQUESTS. What is open to question is to whom the COMMANDMENTS were issued. There is no doubt at all that the COMMANDMENTS were given by God through Moses on Mount Sinai for His covenant people, Israel. It is highly doubtful that God issued His COMMANDMENTS to non-coevenant people, aka Gentiles.