Do you agree that christians should keep the 10 Commandments?

[RABBIT-HUNTER]

Exactly...James is not speaking of just the 10 commandments...he is speaking of the entire 613 commandments of Torah.

You are correct, and your hermeneutics on this thread, and others have been outstanding, keep up the good work. Alex.

 

[RABBIT-HUNTER]

I find it interesting that Jemes uses the word law and not commandments in the 2 verses. This does 2 things for me. One it establishes the 10 Cs as the law and 2 it says the law which is used in referenct to the law (Torah) of Moses which includes the 10 Cs.

May God bless your tireless efforts, in you pursiut of truth. You also are doing a fine job, in your seasoned exegetical usage, of the text. I have been blessed by your fine work. Alex.

 

[Source Scripture]

Firstly money can be collected without a church service may not even be money, food and clothes. Secondly If it is collected at a gathering or a service it does not mean they did not observe the sabbath before. As you know we meet in church gatherings more than once a week and SDA's meet on Sabbath and Sundays.
The point we accept something that is not plainly stated while rejecting that which was.

You are arguing from an abstract, because it is widely accepted, in all academic circles, that the few Gentiles, who were in the synagogues, were at best "god fearers", as you have been shown. Do you have any clear doctrine, from Peter, John, or Paul, in any form, in an imperative manner, to show that the church, was bound by Sabbath law?

Any commands, any teaching, other than this fallacious repetitive posting you are doing, which proves nothing, we need doctrine please. This is a theology forum, not a speculation forum. I challenge, you because you started the thread, but so far have not provided doctrine, teaching, etc. Paul talk the time to talk of head coverings in Corinth, why would Sabbath be ignored? Thank you very much.

 

[Andrew Ryan]

I think we should, including the sabbath and by sabbath I do not mean the sabbath of my fathers but Sunday.

 

[Elder 111]

There is no support for the fact that Lydia seller of purple wasn't a Jewess or was a gentile. This is a far cry from proving the mentioned was with gentiles exclusively. In fact these aren't the group that ask to hear more the next sabbath.

Thank you but there is more to the verse. It shows that you are aware of what is, you just reject all as support for Sabbath keeping. How come no one informed Jesus, who was in constant tact with His Father, that the sabbath would have been no more. In Mat. 24 Jesus is taking about the future. Would He not have known that His death would bring an end to the Sabbath, or Paul for that matter?

15When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand
16Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
17Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
21For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

What happen here?

 

[Elder 111]

Oh please!

Look at what was said not my words.

 

[Elder 111]

Hello. Lurker Alex here. I am having the hardest of times undertanding why, with all the overwhelming preponderance of evidence, being presented here, to disprove your views, you maintain such rigidity, to facts, and scripture. If your fellow members show you a key, why not open the door?

It's a key to Hell.

 

[Elder 111]

You are arguing from an abstract, because it is widely accepted, in all academic circles, that the few Gentiles, who were in the synagogues, were at best "god fearers", as you have been shown. Do you have any clear doctrine, from Peter, John, or Paul, in any form, in an imperative manner, to show that the church, was bound by Sabbath law?

Any commands, any teaching, other than this fallacious repetitive posting you are doing, which proves nothing, we need doctrine please. This is a theology forum, not a speculation forum. I challenge, you because you started the thread, but so far have not provided doctrine, teaching, etc. Paul talk the time to talk of head coverings in Corinth, why would Sabbath be ignored? Thank you very much.

It wasn't. There was no need to mention it. Paul was meeting on the Sabbath all the time. Why would ask that the sabbath be kept it was? Why was Jesus ignorant of the removal of Sabbath? Mat 24:20

 

[Elder 111]

I think we should, including the sabbath and by sabbath I do not mean the sabbath of my fathers but Sunday.

It is the Sabbath of our Father, the God of the universe. the Seventh Day
that he Blessed and sanctified. The Sabbath that was kept by the Mary and the other when He was in the tomb. The Sabbath of the Ten Commandments.

 

[MamaZ]

It is the Sabbath of our Father, the God of the universe. the Seventh Day
that he Blessed and sanctified. The Sabbath that was kept by the Mary and the other when He was in the tomb. The Sabbath of the Ten Commandments.

Mary kept all the sabbaths for she was Jewish. The full knowledge of What Christ represents was not revealed in full till He went and sent the HS. You have yet to preach the doctrine of Paul or Peter where they preached keeping of the sabbath. For the Law was fulfilled by Christ. This means that it was finsihed and now we have a new covenant. His blood.

 

[Elder 111]

Mary kept all the sabbaths for she was Jewish. The full knowledge of What Christ represents was not revealed in full till He went and sent the HS. You have yet to preach the doctrine of Paul or Peter where they preached keeping of the sabbath. For the Law was fulfilled by Christ. This means that it was finsihed and now we have a new covenant. His blood.

Christ spoke of the future in Mat 24 and mentioned the Sabbath even at a time after the Holy Spirit was out poured. Are you telling that Jesus made a mistake? Or that He did not know what He was taking about?
Since when did fulfill mean finish or abolished.

 

[ARBITER01]

It is made clear that we as Christians are under grace and are save by grace by faith.
Does that mean that we do not keep the 10 commandments?
A Jehovah's witness made it a point of telling me that the commandments are abolished. My next question was, can I have sex with you?
Answer, No!
Why Not?
We have to keep the spirit of the law.
What! The law died and the spirit lives?
Is that what we believe?
Does that make sense?
If we acknowledge that we can not lie or steal or commit adultery, do we not acknowledge that the law is still for us?

I think a study of scripture helps answer the question,..

1Co 9:20 And to the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, not being myself under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;

1Co 9:21 to them that are without law, as without law, not being without law to God, but under law to Christ, that I might gain them that are without law.

This is from the early Alexandrian manuscripts, and here we see Paul stating two things,..

1) that he was not under the law of moses,

2) that he was under the law of Christ.

Two separate covenants.

So in answer to your question, the law of moses does not dictate what the Christian is to do since they are no longer under it, they are under the law of Christ and are led by The Holy Spirit.

 

[from scratch]

Christ spoke of the future in Mat 24 and mentioned the Sabbath even at a time after the Holy Spirit was out poured. Are you telling that Jesus made a mistake? Or that He did not know what He was taking about?
Since when did fulfill mean finish or abolished.

In terms of covenant or contract these words are close. In saying abolished we aren't saying blotted out of memory or annihilated. The words are used to mean that the OC no longer has jusridiction. The obligations of that covenant (contract) has been met and is fullfiled and no longer of assistance in accomplishing anything.

 

[from scratch]

I think a study of scripture helps answer the question,..



This is from the early Alexandrian manuscripts, and here we see Paul stating two things,..

1) that he was not under the law of moses,

2) that he was under the law of Christ.

Two separate covenants.

So in answer to your question, the law of moses does not dictate what the Christian is to do since they are no longer under it, they are under the law of Christ and are led by The Holy Spirit.

 

[MamaZ]

In terms of covenant or contract these words are close. In saying abolished we aren't saying blotted out of memory or annihilated. The words are used to mean that the OC no longer has jusridiction. The obligations of that covenant (contract) has been met and is fullfiled and no longer of assistance in accomplishing anything.

fulfilled means completed. Just as Jesus said. It is finished. Mathew 24 is about the tribulation. Jesus speaking to the house of Isreal. But God has saved a remenant for Himself.

 

[from scratch]

Firstly money can be collected without a church service may not even be money, food and clothes. Secondly If it is collected at a gathering or a service it does not mean they did not observe the sabbath before. As you know we meet in church gatherings more than once a week and SDA's meet on Sabbath and Sundays.
The point we accept something that is not plainly stated while rejecting that which was.

So is this speculation to promote an idea? I think your whole argument is based this way.

 

[Frogster]

It is the Sabbath of our Father, the God of the universe. the Seventh Day
that he Blessed and sanctified. The Sabbath that was kept by the Mary and the other when He was in the tomb. The Sabbath of the Ten Commandments.

So what anyway if some unsaved gentiles were in the synagogues.

What about the church, and NT teachings, as another member asked you about.

 

[Frogster]

Christ spoke of the future in Mat 24 and mentioned the Sabbath even at a time after the Holy Spirit was out poured. Are you telling that Jesus made a mistake? Or that He did not know what He was taking about?
Since when did fulfill mean finish or abolished.

History..the cross happened..


15 by abolishing the law of commandments expressed in ordinances, that he might create in himself one new man in place of the two, so making peace


Actually the galatians lost the meaning of the cross, by getting under law.



3:1 O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? It was before your eyes that Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified.

 

[Rajni]

Since when did fulfill mean finish or abolished.

Elder, this has been explained to you already, at least once. See posts #347 and #419 where I addressed this argument previously.

Does your bible not contain Ephesians 2:15 or Colossians 2:14?

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[from scratch]

fulfilled means completed. Just as Jesus said. It is finished. Mathew 24 is about the tribulation. Jesus speaking to the house of Isreal. But God has saved a remenant for Himself.

I think that is some that most don't understand. Doesn't Paul state that God isn't done with the nation or Jews? While on the other hand the church isn't Israel.