Do you agree that christians should keep the 10 Commandments?

[Elder 111]

What I mean is, why does scripture say, we are of promise, in Abraham, and if we get under law, by following sabby, or having law arouse sin, we void the promise? Rom 4:14-15.

Who stays, Moses or Abe? Do you see how to be an heir, it can't be by law?

I am trying to have a theological chat here about Abe. Please advise.


4:30 But what does the Scripture say? “Cast out the slave woman and her son, for the son of the slave woman shall not inherit with the son of the free woman.”

When we make the law the means of salvation is the problem. Jesus did not condemn the rich young ruler for keeping the law, He turned and said "follow Me". Can you follow Jesus and not keep the first of the 10? Can you say that you are not under the first of the 10 and love Jesus? Or can you love Jesus and not observe the first of the ten?

 

[k4c]

So when a Christan filled with Holy Spirit does not steal or lie he is legalistic? When one chooses to serve God only as the commandment requires, he is legalistic?
There three honest persons so far, who have stated that the Sabbath is the one commandment that they disregard.

Amen...

Our reason and motives for obeying the law is what determines weather wer're legalistic or not. Not the fact that we obey.

 

[MamaZ]

Amen...

Our reason and motives for obeying the law is what determines weather wer're legalistic or not. Not the fact that we obey.

So do we obey the law or the 10 out of our fleshly will?

 

[Aibrean]

Personally I don't think there is anything wrong with the 10 commandments until you believe you have to follow them to attain salvation. That is legalistic. They obviously can't save you because you can't live without breaking them.

For those who don't practice the Sabbath as dictated by Mosaic law in the OT - it doesn't mean they disregard it. I believe the requirements for observing the Sabbath have changed.

 

[Rajni]

Personally I don't think there is anything wrong with the 10 commandments until you believe you have to follow them to attain salvation. That is legalistic. They obviously can't save you because you can't live without breaking them.

Amen! Thank you!

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[Rajni]

John 14
15If ye love me, keep my commandments.

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Dang! So I'm gonna have to give up eating shrimp and wearing cotton-polyester blends...

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[Rajni]

So if I am talking about Obama I am also including Bush. If I am speaking about Canada I am also talking about the USA.

Depending on the context within which you speak of them, of course. For example, if you're saying "We should always respect the U.S. President", that would encompass Obama, Bush, and anyone else who filled that position. If you're speaking about Canada in terms of what other countries border it, then you would inevitably be talking about the USA at some point in that discussion.

I mention part of the 10 so I am talking about that which I did not mention.

"The 10" as in "Commandments" are only a part of the Law. Again, to separate them is to pick and choose. To pick and choose is to keep "the whole" law and stumble at (way more than) just one point.

That is a ridiculous conclusion and at the least dishonest to the word of God. Sorry some of us have to stand up for right and righteousness.

Seriously? Those who view things differently than you do are "dishonest" and not "standing up for right and righteousness"? You honestly believe that Elder?!


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[MamaZ]

Walking in faith with love is soo much better than walking in the 10. For we do not commit adultry because it is written in the 10 but out of love for our neighbor and not only do we not commit adultry we pray for their marriage to be healed so adultry isn't even a temptation. Love covers so much more than the 10.

 

[SummaScriptura]

So when a Christan filled with Holy Spirit does not steal or lie he is legalistic? When one chooses to serve God only as the commandment requires, he is legalistic?
There three honest persons so far, who have stated that the Sabbath is the one commandment that they disregard.

Your 10 commandments do not teach that one must not lie, only that one not bear a false witness concerning their neighbor. One may obey your 10 commandments perfectly as well as lie. One may obey your 10 commandments perfectly and yet hate, the commission of which Jesus said you'd be in danger of hell.

Yes, one may be legalistic if they seek to walk according to the 10 commandments. If they love God from their heart, and simply seek to obey the 10 commandments because they misunderstand how to interpret the Bible, they would not necessarily be a legalist. They would simply be improperly informed.

 

[k4c]

So do we obey the law or the 10 out of our fleshly will?

I hate to use the word obey because it gives the impression of a works based salvation. I like the word love better. When we love God and neighbor it will be expressed by how we know God because we were created in His image and are being conformed to Jesus day by day. As we read the new testament and grow in grace and truth we will begin to see the principles of all ten commandments stated and confirmed in the new testament. If we truly love as God calls us to love these principles will manifest in our lives through how we live without any concern of what we are doing as being a salvation issue.

 

[Harry3142]

For those who insist that we must obey the commandments in order to keep our salvation, I refer them to the strictest passage in the entire Holy Bible. And it is not to be found in the Old Testament; it's to be found in the New Testament:

"When the Son of Man comes in his glory and all the angels with him, he will sit on his throne in heavenly glory. All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.

"Then the King will say to those on his right, 'Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.'

"Then the righteous will answer him, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?'

"The King will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.'

"Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.'

"They also will answer, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?'

"He will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.'

"Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life." (The Gospel of St. Matthew 25:31-46,NIV)

Never have I seen a passage of Scripture so universally attacked by denominations and/or sects that claim to be the only truly Christian church as I have seen this one attacked. Some have said that the passage has expired, as if it had an expiration date. Some have said that other church-related activities must be accomplsihed first (interestingly, these activities seem to be in perpetual motion, with no end in sight). Some have said that the passage is to be interpreted as Christians praying to God that he will send 'someone else' to do that work, while they themselves perform more ecclesiastical tasks. Some have said that all those activities are now the sole responsibility of The State, with the Christians' only responsibility now being to talk other people into attending that particular church denomination or sect.

But if you believe that we must all obey commandments in order to ensure our salvation, then these commandments, given us by Jesus Christ himself, need to 'top the list'. And that does not mean to believe that they should be done by someone someday; it means that they are to be done by all Christians now.

 

[ancientsoul]

Revelation 12;17

And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Revelation 14:12

Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Revelation 22:14

Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.

If it 's important enough to God to have it as a requirement to enter the city and have a right to the tree of life. It ought be that important to us, as well. I would venture to say, even, that it is a necessity to keep His commandments.

 

[MamaZ]

I hate to use the word obey because it gives the impression of a works based salvation. I like the word love better. When we love God and neighbor it will be expressed by how we know God because we were created in His image and are being conformed to Jesus day by day. As we read the new testament and grow in grace and truth we will begin to see the principles of all ten commandments stated and confirmed in the new testament. If we truly love as God calls us to love these principles will manifest in our lives through how we live without any concern of what we are doing as being a salvation issue.

okay so then do you love out of your own fleshly will?

 

[Harry3142]

ancientsoul-

Have you kept the commandments which Jesus Christ gave us to keep (Matthew 25:31-46)?

 

[ivebeenshown]

ancientsoul-

Have you kept the commandments which Jesus Christ gave us to keep (Matthew 25:31-46)?

Oh you mean 'love God and love thy neighbour'?

Romans 13
8Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. 9For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

The very command which summarizes the ten commandments?

 

[ancientsoul]

Wanted to add about the Sabbath.

It was important enough that Mary Magdalene, Mary, and Salome observed the sabbath BEFORE going to anoint Jesus in the tomb.

Mark 16:1

And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of james, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.

Luke 23:56

And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.

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Hebrews 4:8

For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.

rest
Strong's
Greek
2664

desist, cease, rest, settle down

Hebrews 4:9

There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.

rest
Strong's dictionary
Greek
4520

deritive of 4521

4521 - the Sabbath - or day of weekly repose from secular avocations (also the observance or institution itself)

 

[ancientsoul]

Oh you mean 'love God and love thy neighbour'?

Romans 13
8Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. 9For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

The very command which summarizes the ten commandments?

no, that is not what I meant
however, what I meant would include those verses
but it is not the point or sum, by any means, of what I meant to say

 

[ancientsoul]

ancientsoul-

Have you kept the commandments which Jesus Christ gave us to keep (Matthew 25:31-46)?

sir, the veil was rent - no disrespect, what I do and what I do not do is between me and the Lord - I need 'confess' to no one

and I don't see how your query changes anything I posted

 

[Rajni]

sir, the veil was rent - no disrespect, what I do and what I do not do is between me and the Lord - I need 'confess' to no one

and I don't see how your query changes anything I posted

Harry's question is likely relevant due to that whole "practice what you preach" factor.

If it was important enough to make mention of verses pertaining to keeping the commandments, then surely the one mentioning them is keeping them impeccably and would therefore not hesitate to say as much in response to Harry's question.

However, if one truly believes the veil was rent, as you had rightly stated, then one surely realizes that the only commandment that stands now is love, and it's not to be presented as requirement for salvation but rather the effect of salvation.

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[ancientsoul]

Harry's question is likely relevant due to that whole "practice what you preach" factor.

If it was important enough to make mention of verses pertaining to keeping the commandments, then surely the one mentioning them is keeping them impeccably and would therefore not hesitate to say as much in response to Harry's question.

However, if one truly believes the veil was rent, as you had rightly stated, then one surely realizes that the only commandment that stands now is love, and it's not to be presented as requirement for salvation but rather the effect of salvation.

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doesn't matter - he directed it as a question to me or he would have explained what importance it had - I can't justify myself - the Lord must do that