Do you agree that christians should keep the 10 Commandments?

[Aibrean]

NO ONE is a keeper.

 

[k4c]

NO ONE is a keeper.

NO ONE should be a willfull nonkeeper.

 

[chris4243]

All I am saying is this: If one does not love God first and foremost, how can that person love his neighbor? It's not possible.

So what you're saying is, that keeping the commandment "love your neighbor as yourself" necessarily implies that you're also keeping the commandment, "love God"? That's more or less what I was saying, but in different words.

I suppose that's why Jesus said, " By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another." Loving one another is proof you love God.

 

[ivebeenshown]

But the only thing I can do for God, is to love those He loves. There really isn't much else I could do to demonstrate my love for God.

Romans 13:9
For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

See... "Love God and Love thy Neighbor" is fulfilling the ten commandments. If you break one of those commandments, like killing your neighbor, or stealing from them, you are not fulfilling your duty to love them.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by sheina All I am saying is this: If one does not love God first and foremost, how can that person love his neighbor? It's not possible.

Romans 13:9
For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

See... "Love God and Love thy Neighbor" is fulfilling the ten commandments. If you break one of those commandments, like killing your neighbor, or stealing from them, you are not fulfilling your duty to love them.

Blue Letter Bible - Search Results for KJV
(love)
occurs 311 times in 281 verses in the KJV
Page 1 / 12 inexact matches (Gen 27:4 - Jos 23:11)

Blue Letter Bible - Lexicon
Strong's Number G26 matches the Greek ἀγάπη (agapē), which occurs 116 times in 106 verses in the Greek concordance of the KJV

Last time used in Bible:

Young) Revelation 2:4 `But I have against thee: That thy first love thou didst leave!
19 I have known thy works, and love, and ministration, and faith, and thy endurance, and thy works--and the last [are] more than the first.

 

[Aibrean]

Does keeping the law save you?

 

[ivebeenshown]

Does keeping the law save you?

If it were not for the grace of God, no man should be saved.

Luke 10
27And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.
28And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.

 

[Rajni]

Look at James again. He mentions portions of the 10 not 613 that was part of what God did not Give.

He seems to mention those just by way of example, i.e., the same Law that says don't commit adultery also says don't murder. He seems to be emphasizing the point that one cannot pick and choose which parts of the Law to obey and which parts to ignore. This suggests to me that obeying the 10 while ignoring the other 613 doesn't cut the mustard, hence his statement, "whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it."
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[ivebeenshown]

He seems to mention those just by way of example, i.e., the same Law that says don't commit adultery also says don't murder. He seems to be emphasizing the point that one cannot pick and choose which parts of the Law to obey and which parts to ignore. This suggests to me that obeying the 10 while ignoring the other 613 doesn't cut the mustard, hence his statement, "whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it."
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If you will continue to fail to recognize a distinction between the One Great Commandment (which is articulated by the Ten Commandments) and the Mosaic ritual law, you will continue to fail to answer for all the times Christ said we needed to do the will of the Father, keep his commands, etc.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

If it were not for the grace of God, no man should be saved.

Luke 10
27And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.
28And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.

I find it rather interesting that the first time the word for "love" is used in the NT/NC is in Matt 24

Blue Letter Bible - Lexicon
Strong's G26 - agapē

Young) Matthew 24:12 and because of the abounding of the lawlessness, the love of the many shall become cold;

http://www.christianforums.com/t7392923/
How much of Matthew 24 is fulfilled

 

[MamaZ]

What does that mean?
That I can love God and my neighbor but I can steal, covet and sneak through the window and sleep with His wife?

Does loving your neighbor lead you to do these things to them? What kind of Love is that?

 

[Rajni]

If you will continue to fail to recognize a distinction between the One Great Commandment (which is articulated by the Ten Commandments) and the Mosaic ritual law, you will continue to fail to answer for all the times Christ said we needed to do the will of the Father, keep his commands, etc.

James makes no such distinction. Such a distinction may make it easier on the commandment-keeping crowd, but is not necessarily valid. Galatians 3:10 states that "All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written: 'Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law."" (Gal 3:10)

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[Rajni]

What does that mean?
That I can love God and my neighbor but I can steal, covet and sneak through the window and sleep with His wife?

I suppose that all depends on how one defines "love".

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[LittleLambofJesus]

Does loving your neighbor lead you to do these things to them? What kind of Love is that?

Doesn't Jesus and Paul also mention loving thy enemies?

Matthew 5:43 "Ye hear that it was declared 'thou shalt be loving thy neighbour and shall be hating thy enemy'
44 I am saying yet unto ye, be loving! the enemies of ye, be blessing them that are cursing thee, be doing good to them that are hating thee and be praying over those chasing/persecuting thee".
[Proverbs 25:22/Luke 6:35/Romans 12:20]

Prov 25:21 If hungry one hating of thee, give him bread to eat. And if be thirsty, be giving him waters to drink
22 That burning coals thou heaping upon his head,--and YHVH shall repay to thee.
[Romans 12:20]

Romans 12:20 But ifever may be hungering the enemy of thee be thou giving morsel/ywmize <5595> (5720) to him! Ifever he may be thirsting, be giving to him drink! For this doing coals of fire thou shalt be heaping on the head of him. [Prov 25:21,22]

5595. psomizo pso-mid'-zo from the base of 5596; to supply with bits, i.e. (generally) to nourish:--(bestow to) feed.

 

[Frogster]

If it were not for the grace of God, no man should be saved.

Luke 10
27And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.
28And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.

if you read the account of the rich ruler in elsewhere, he said he did them all, but you will see it did not give eternal life. If one could be saved by works, then the cross was not needed. Gal 2;21. Think about it.

18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.


24 Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.

 

[ivebeenshown]

James makes no such distinction. Such a distinction may make it easier on the commandment-keeping crowd, but is not necessarily valid. Galatians 3:10 states that "All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written: 'Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law."" (Gal 3:10)

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Both James and Paul do.

James 1
25But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.

Galatians 6
2Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.

if you read the account of the rich ruler in elsewhere, he said he did them all, but you will see it did not give eternal life. If one could be saved by works, then the cross was not needed. Gal 2;21. Think about it.

I did not say one could be saved by works without the cross. Think about it.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I suppose that all depends on how one defines "love".

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Love - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Abrahamic religions

Judaism

In Hebrew, Ahava is the most commonly used term for both interpersonal love and love between God and God's creations. Chesed, often translated as loving-kindness, is used to describe many forms of love between human beings.

Christianity

The Christian understanding is that love comes from God. The love of man and woman&#8212;eros in Greek&#8212;and the unselfish love of others (agape), are often contrasted as "ascending" and "descending" love, respectively, but are ultimately the same thing.[27]

Islam

In a sense, love does encompass the Islamic view of life as universal brotherhood that applies to all who hold the faith. There are no direct references stating that God is love, but amongst the 99 names of God (Allah), there is the name Al-Wadud, or "the Loving One," which is found in Surah [Qur'an 11:90] as well as Surah [Qur'an 85:14].

 

[Rajni]

Both James and Paul do.

James 1
25But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.

Of course, those who champion the law of liberty tend to get zinged for not clinging to "the 10" commandments, and are suspected of living wild n' crazy-like. Interesting, that.

Galatians 6
2Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.

That falls in perfectly with "Love your neighbor as yourself".

So it would seem that the old method of commandment-keeping -- in the stoic, ritualistic, legalistic, martyr-like manner promoted by many within churchdom -- has been O.B.E.'d through Christ.

Thank God for Jesus!

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[LittleLambofJesus]

if you read the account of the rich ruler in elsewhere, he said he did them all, but you will see it did not give eternal life. If one could be saved by works, then the cross was not needed. Gal 2;21. Think about it............

Being rich in wealth but poor in spirit doesn't help much either

Blue Letter Bible - Lexicon
Strong's Number G5366 matches the Greek &#966;&#953;&#955;&#8049;&#961;&#947;&#965;&#961;&#959;&#962; (philargyros), which occurs 2 times in 2 verses in the Greek concordance of the KJV

NKJV) Luke 16:14 Now the Pharisees, who were lovers of money/filarguroi <5366>, also heard all these things, and they derided Him.

5366. philarguros fil-ar'-goo-ros from 5384 and 696; fond of silver (money), i.e. avaricious:--covetous.
5384. philos fee'-los properly, dear, i.e. a friend; actively, fond, i.e. friendly (still as a noun, an associate, neighbor, etc.):--friend.
696. arguros ar'-goo-ros from argos (shining); silver (the metal, in the articles or coin):--silver.

Lazarus and the Rich Man - Here a little, there a little - Commentary

<snip>.........We begin by scrutinizing the description Yeshua gives us of the rich man.
First, he tells us that this man was clothed in purple and fine linen. This type of clothing would not have been out of the ordinary for one of considerable wealth during this time period.
However, this attire also has symbolic meaning. The Eerdmans Bible Dictionary says: "The wearing of purple was associated particularly with royalty . . ." (p. 863, "Purple"). In addition, the New Bible Dictionary tells us: "The use of linen in OT times was prescribed for priests (Ex. 28:39). The coat, turban and girdle must be of fine linen." (p. 702, "Linen").

So we see that the garments worn by this rich man were symbolic of royalty and the priesthood.
With that in mind, let's see what God told Moses just before giving the Israelites the Law on Mount Sinai:

 

[Frogster]

Did He not say Himself, If you love me keep my commandments.

What I mean is, why does scripture say, we are of promise, in Abraham, and if we get under law, by following sabby, or having law arouse sin, we void the promise? Rom 4:14-15.

Who stays, Moses or Abe? Do you see how to be an heir, it can't be by law?

I am trying to have a theological chat here about Abe. Please advise.


4:30 But what does the Scripture say? “Cast out the slave woman and her son, for the son of the slave woman shall not inherit with the son of the free woman.”