Do you agree that christians should keep the 10 Commandments?

Rajni · Apr 2, 2011

Elder 111 said:
Who made or is making the mistake then? You, Jesus or Paul? Jesus said it will never change until earth be passed away.
18For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
19Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Has heaven Pass? Has earth passed? Then how can anything be moved from the law? He did not say at His sacrifice did He? He did not say after His sacrifice did He?
How can we ignore clear statements like this, and by no one else but Jesus?

I believe that Jesus was referring to the ending of the old covenant age and system rather than heaven and earth literally.

Scripture says that the earth will remain:

Ecclesiastes 1:4 – "One generation passes away, and another generation comes; But the earth abides forever."

Psalm 104:5 – “He set the earth on its foundations; it can never be moved.”

Psalm 119:90 – “Your faithfulness continues through all generations; you established the earth, and it endures.”

And we know that Heaven will never end. At least, that’s the general expectation of those who hope to go there someday!

I think that this is what Paul had in mind when he said that the Law had been abolished, because the metaphorical heaven and earth of the old covenant way of things had ended.

Frogster · Apr 2, 2011

Elder 111 said:
Nice of you to quote the scripture, but I have found that you have continue to do so biasedly. The context of the above quote in no way deny the 10 commandments nor the Sabbath in particular but contrarily supports it. That is why no text can point to the ten commandments or the Sabbath in the NT. You reject then all. Now explain to us all how you get this context denying the commandments or the Sabbath?
39And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.
40Beware therefore, lest that come upon you, which is spoken of in the prophets;
41Behold, ye despisers, and wonder, and perish: for I work a work in your days, a work which ye shall in no wise believe, though a man declare it unto you.
42And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.
43Now when the congregation was broken up, many of the Jews and religious proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas: who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of God.
44And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.
45But when the Jews saw the multitudes, they were filled with envy, and spake against those things which were spoken by Paul, contradicting and blaspheming.
46Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles.
47For so hath the Lord commanded us, saying, I have set thee to be a light of the Gentiles, that thou shouldest be for salvation unto the ends of the earth.
48And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.
49And the word of the Lord was published throughout all the region.
50But the Jews stirred up the devout and honourable women, and the chief men of the city, and raised persecution against Paul and Barnabas, and expelled them out of their coasts.
51But they shook off the dust of their feet against them, and came unto Iconium.
52And the disciples were filled with joy, and with the Holy Ghost.

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As an elder, I would think u would talk abe with froggy, paul talked abe, did the promise rest before temples, law, sabby, mosaic food laws, etc?

Where did it rest? Why did Paul actually use the father of faith, to ward off law? Abe was no small person you know.. Why all pre law?

9[Does] this blessedness then [rest] on the circumcision, or also on the uncircumcision? For we say that faith has been reckoned to Abraham as righteousness.

10How then has it been reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision.

Elder 111 · Apr 2, 2011

MamaZ said:
Why not the syngagogs? This is where the people gathered. In Christ there is neither gentile nor jew. For in Christ we are one body not according to the law but by His Spirit through His blood. So I don't believe I am understanding what you mean. Paul never preached to keep the sabbath. Show me where Paul preached that the sabbath was to be kept and just exactly how was the sabbath to be kept according to Paul?

The passages from Acts 13 and 15 that I previously quote mentioned that Paul met with the gentles on the Sabbath. So Why meet with them on Sabbath if, as you contend, Paul did not want them to keep the Sabbath?

Elder 111 · Apr 2, 2011

chaela said:
I believe that Jesus was referring to the ending of the old covenant age and system rather than heaven and earth literally.

Scripture says that the earth will remain:

Ecclesiastes 1:4 "One generation passes away, and another generation comes; But the earth abides forever."

Psalm 104:5 He set the earth on its foundations; it can never be moved.

Psalm 119:90 Your faithfulness continues through all generations; you established the earth, and it endures.

And we know that Heaven will never end. At least, thats the general expectation of those who hope to go there someday!

I think that this is what Paul had in mind when he said that the Law had been abolished, because the metaphorical heaven and earth of the old covenant way of things had ended.

Now why add to the bible? How does this metaphorical thing mentioned in the Bible? every attempt is made to explain away that which is plainly spoken rather than accept what God has said. Very sad.
You have made it clear that earth will remain. Then will also the ten commandments with the Sabbath. Will that kill you? Will the truth kill you if you accept it? Why work so hard to deny it?

Elder 111 · Apr 2, 2011

Frogster said:
Sorry..this paste job does not get a star.

As an elder, I would think u would talk abe with froggy, paul talked abe, did the promise rest before temples, law, sabby, mosaic food laws, etc?

Where did it rest? Why did Paul actually use the father of faith, to ward off law? Abe was no small person you know.. Why all pre law?

9[Does] this blessedness then [rest] on the circumcision, or also on the uncircumcision? For we say that faith has been reckoned to Abraham as righteousness.

10How then has it been reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision.

Not in disobedience but in obedience.
25For circumcision verily profiteth, if thou keep the law: but if thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision.
26Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision?
27And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfil the law, judge thee, who by the letter and circumcision dost transgress the law?

Rajni · Apr 2, 2011

Elder 111 said:
Now why add to the bible? How does this metaphorical thing mentioned in the Bible? every attempt is made to explain away that which is plainly spoken rather than accept what God has said. Very sad.

Im no more adding to the Bible than you are.

Im not arguing what God has said, Im disagreeing with what you interpret God as saying. Not sad at all. Everyone interprets.

You have made it clear that earth will remain. Then will also the ten commandments with the Sabbath. Will that kill you? Will the truth kill you if you accept it? Why work so hard to deny it?

Then you'll need to take your argument up with Paul, who said (long before I did) that the Law has been abolished. Will that kill you? Will a different way of seeing things kill you if you accept it? Why work so hard to deny it?

MamaZ · Apr 2, 2011

Elder 111 said:
The passages from Acts 13 and 15 that I previously quote mentioned that Paul met with the gentles on the Sabbath. So Why meet with them on Sabbath if, as you contend, Paul did not want them to keep the Sabbath?

because the people gathered on Sundays Paul did not preach sabbath. He preached Christ and Him crucified.

MamaZ · Apr 2, 2011

I have yet for anyone to show me where Paul or Peter or any writings of the scripture in the NT preach to keep the sabbath.

Lionroot · Apr 2, 2011

Rick Otto said:
Is Moses being read, Moses being followed?

That should tell you something. I think most will miss it.

AdamKane · Apr 2, 2011

I don't know. Should a Chrisitan obey the commandment not to kill?

Lionroot · Apr 2, 2011

chaela said:
I believe that Jesus was referring to the ending of the old covenant age and system rather than heaven and earth literally.

Scripture says that the earth will remain:

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OR...perhaps Jesus ment what he said, and God's laws never passes away. Just a thought.God's word just might be eternal. Just maybe...

MamaZ · Apr 2, 2011

Lionroot said:
OR...perhaps Jesus ment what he said, and God's laws never passes away. Just a thought.God's word just might be eternal. Just maybe...

Gods word will never pass away but it is all in context. We have the OT and we have the NT. We the NT being refrenced in the OT and the OT referenced in the NT..

Rajni · Apr 2, 2011

Lionroot said:
OR...perhaps Jesus ment what he said, and God's laws never passes away. Just a thought.God's word just might be eternal. Just maybe...

OR... perhaps Jesus meant what He said, just not in the way you have chosen to interpret it. Of course God's word is eternal, God's word is Jesus (not a book, which, if what you're saying is true, has at least one contradiction. That's only problematic for those whose faith hinges solely on a book, though).

By the way, Lionroot, you haven't yet answered my question in post 287. What say you?

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ivebeenshown · Apr 2, 2011

chaela said:
(not a book, which, if what you're saying is true, has at least one contradiction. That's only problematic for those whose faith hinges solely on a book, though).

from scratch · Apr 2, 2011

chaela said:
Do you keep all God's commandments perfectly, Lionroot? If you don't then in His estimation you aren't keeping any of them (James 2:10).

Maybe we should debate if a woman is pregnant or not. Its not a kinda pregnant thing - it is an either or kinda thing like Gal 5:4 says you can have one or the other but not both. So take your pick.

from scratch · Apr 2, 2011

Lionroot said:
OR...perhaps Jesus ment what he said, and God's laws never passes away. Just a thought.God's word just might be eternal. Just maybe...

So what about Jer 31:31-34, Hosea 2:11? Oh maybe you might be referring to Mat 5:17, 18. Then what about this one: And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning Me. LK 24:44. I haven't even got to Jesus' testimony that a different covenant is in force, yet. Neither have I touched Paul's writings either.

Elder 111 · Apr 2, 2011

MamaZ said:
Why not the syngagogs? This is where the people gathered. In Christ there is neither gentile nor jew. For in Christ we are one body not according to the law but by His Spirit through His blood. So I don't believe I am understanding what you mean. Paul never preached to keep the sabbath. Show me where Paul preached that the sabbath was to be kept and just exactly how was the sabbath to be kept according to Paul?

This of the Jews nor the synagogue yet ii is on Sabbath. Why?
Acts 16:12-14 (King James Version)

12And from thence to Philippi, which is the chief city of that part of Macedonia, and a colony: and we were in that city abiding certain days.
13And on the sabbath we went out of the city by a river side, where prayer was wont to be made; and we sat down, and spake unto the women which resorted thither.
14And a certain woman named Lydia, a seller of purple, of the city of Thyatira, which worshipped God, heard us: whose heart the Lord opened, that she attended unto the things which were spoken of Paul.

Elder 111 · Apr 2, 2011

chaela said:
Im no more adding to the Bible than you are.

Im not arguing what God has said, Im disagreeing with what you interpret God as saying. Not sad at all. Everyone interprets.

Then you'll need to take your argument up with Paul, who said (long before I did) that the Law has been abolished. Will that kill you? Will a different way of seeing things kill you if you accept it? Why work so hard to deny it?

Yes it will. For all who break God's commandments and teach men so will die the second dead. There is salvation in Christ, but not for those who deny His commandments and deny Mat 5:18-19. His very words not Your or mine. Paul would certainly not say opposite to what Jesus said. Rom 7
10And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death. 11For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.
12Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
13Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.
14For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
How was that which is Holy, Just, Good and spiritual abolished? Explain. how can we who are to live by the Spirit not have that which is spiritual, namely the law? Explain.

Elder 111 · Apr 2, 2011

MamaZ said:
I have yet for anyone to show me where Paul or Peter or any writings of the scripture in the NT preach to keep the sabbath.

Why tell someone to do what there are already doing?

sheina · Apr 2, 2011

The fact that Paul went to synagogues on sabbaths does not prove he consciously kept the sabbath law any more than his going to the feasts in Jerusalem proves he believed himself bound to the laws of the feasts. He felt bound to none of these things. He was free in Christ. Yet he went as a soul winner to witness to his kinsmen of the freedom in Christ which he himself enjoyed

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