Do you agree that christians should keep the 10 Commandments?

Elder 111 said:

Are you any difference? You removed the law so you would not be guilty?

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What denomination believes they are able to keep all the laws and not break them at any time during their lives? I know it ain't mine.

Frogster said:

Pul sure did not want sabby written anywhere. Waste of time!

10 You observe days and months and seasons and years! 11 I am afraid I may have labored over you in vain.

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Are you insane? The early church were messianic jews. Jesus was Sabbath observant. Paul was Sabbath observant. The entire NT church was Sabbath observant.

It would be hundreds of years before the pagan practice of SUNday worship would be adopted.

Prophecies yet to be fulfilled mention the Sabbath.

You might want to revisit the issue.

Just a thought...

k4c said:

Gentiles worship other gods, use God's name in vain, worship idols and forget the Sabbath until God is able to write His Law in their hearts and minds.

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Have you not read that Love rejoices in truth? We also read that those wo do not love do not know God for God is Love. Jews worshipped other gods. It is seen in the scriptures. The murmered and also held the sabath as it was not to be held. Gentiles are not Gods because He wrote His law in their hearts. They are His through Christ. In fact these Jews that had the law are the very ones God called hypocrites, pharasees. The keeping of the law adds nothing to our relationship with God. It is Christ in us the Hope of Glory.

Lionroot said:

It amazes me that Christians actually defend thier "right" to sin. It never fails that those who cling to such liberty have a strong practice of sin. When confronted about sin they claim "I am not under the law". In doing so they fail to esteem the sacrifice of Christ.

Jesus did not die so you could sin.

He died to free you from the penalty of sin, to free you from the bondage to sin, and freed you to serve a new master, that is to serve God.

If you love God you will keep his commandments. If you don't your sins will find you out. Your lips can be close to God while your heart is far from him. Test yourselves to see whether or not you are in the faith.

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I guess you might want to explain what you mean by the right to sin. What sin are those who do not follow after the law guilty of if indeed they walk by faith in love?

Lionroot said:

Are you insane? The early church were messianic jews. Jesus was Sabbath observant. Paul was Sabbath observant. The entire NT church was Sabbath observant.

It would be hundreds of years before the pagan practice of SUNday worship would be adopted.

Prophecies yet to be fulfilled mention the Sabbath.

You might want to revisit the issue.

Just a thought...

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Sunday worship? Paul speaks about one day being better than another. But yet some still believe Saturday is better than any other day.

IS one day a week enough to worship God? Like a time clock. Lord I punched in for this day of worship. Strange concept to me

Elder 111 said:

You completely avoided the point. I said only the ten were written by God. Is that so or not?

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Not at all. I realize what you said; however, I was articulating what Scripture says. Bottom line is that the entire Law -- not just 10 commandments -- are from God. Whether He wrote them, typed them, faxed them, or used sign-language to convey them, He authored them and expected them to be obeyed.

Elder 111 said:

Are you any difference?

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I don't obey the entire law impeccably, no, but then again I'm not on here telling people that they must do so. That would be hypocrisy on my part.

You removed the law so you would not be guilty?

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Actually, I cannot take credit for that -- it was abolished long before I ever came along (Eph 2:15, Colossians 2:14). No law, no transgression (Romans 4:15).

You can not keep the "10" commandments, but it hurts nothing to try

There are still some who have the false belief that the laws of the Old Testament were intended to make us righteous. But that was never the intention of those laws. They were there to make a primitive people civilized, as well as cause them to form a cohesive society. But they were never intended as a 'roadmap to heaven' or as a 'yardstick of righteousness'.

The most accurate comparison we have to the laws of Torah, including The Ten Commandments, is The Code of Hammurabi. It was already in existence at the time that the Torah was written, and, like the Torah, was intended as a means whereby a people could come together to form a cohesive society. Its laws were also societal in nature, and by keeping them a people could unify under a single set of laws that protected everybody.

But there it ended for both sets of laws. Their purpose was only to give the people who accepted them a foundation on which to build their societies. To think of them as being a way of achieving eternal life, or as a 'yardstick' which would measure a person's deserving eternal life, was totally beyond the parameters for which they were written.

As Christians we are under a new set of laws, brought into effect by the New Covenant (Hebrews 8:1 to 10:14). And instead of these laws setting us apart from others and identifying us as better than they are, these laws tell us that even as Christ, the Son of God, thought nothing of coming among us, where he showed us by both his words and his actions that he had genuine compassion towards us, we are also to show that same compassion to those whom we see around us.

You cannot share food with others through a locked door. You cannot clothe others if you've put yourself on a pedestal that is so far above them that you can't reach them. You cannot welcome the stranger and condemn him because he doesn't share every belief that you have. You cannot comfort the sick and imprisoned and judge their suffering as God's curse on them and so undeserving of any aid. But our direct orders (Matthew 25:31-46), given us by Jesus Christ himself in the firmest tones of any to be found in the entire Bible, say that we are to carry out these actions.

There are to be no excuses, no rationalizing away the purpose of the passage I'm referring to. We are set apart to serve others and alleviate suffering, even as Jesus Christ himself served others and alleviated suffering. So long as we accept this task we are forced to see others as just as important to God as we are. To the extent that we shirk our responsibilities in the performing of this task we are allowing our own arrogance to tell us that Christ was wrong and we are right. What will Christ say to that?

MamaZ said:

I guess you might want to explain what you mean by the right to sin. What sin are those who do not follow after the law guilty of if indeed they walk by faith in love?

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The most recent example was a woman who aborted the child of an affair shortly before going on a mission to Mexico. Additionally she credited God with alloeing her abortion, but that would be another thread. She claimed to be a spirit filed and led believer. And when I questioned her about it. She tolls me she wasn't under the law.

What do you say?

Lionroot said:

Are you insane? The early church were messianic jews. Jesus was Sabbath observant. Paul was Sabbath observant. The entire NT church was Sabbath observant.

It would be hundreds of years before the pagan practice of SUNday worship would be adopted.

Prophecies yet to be fulfilled mention the Sabbath.

You might want to revisit the issue.

Just a thought...

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No, read gal 2...

14 But when I saw that their conduct was not in step with the truth of the gospel, I said to Cephas before them all, “If you, though a Jew, live like a Gentile and not like a Jew, how can you force the Gentiles to live like Jews?”


Then baranbas, and the rest of the Jews were led astray, which meant to be led astray, in the same thing as Peter, they were living as Gentiles too.


13 And the rest of the Jews acted hypocritically along with him, so that even Barnabas was led astray by their hypocrisy.


Read Paul also...

4;12Brethren, I beg of you, become as I am [free from the bondage of Jewish ritualism and ordinances], for I also have become as you are [[e]a Gentile]. You did me no wrong n the days when I first came to you; do not do it now].

Lionroot said:

The most recent example was a woman who aborted the child of an affair shortly before going on a mission to Mexico. Additionally she credited God with alloeing her abortion, but that would be another thread. She claimed to be a spirit filed and led believer. And when I questioned her about it. She tolls me she wasn't under the law.

What do you say?

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I say that killing a baby is not of the Spirit of Christ. For Jesus blessed the children and admonished them and told us we were to be like them. I check all to scripture. How can killing a child or even having an affair be the love we are to live in. For we read in Corinthians what love is. This is why love out does the law every time. For it is by faith we walk in Love.

Lionroot said:

Are you insane? The early church were messianic jews. Jesus was Sabbath observant. Paul was Sabbath observant. The entire NT church was Sabbath observant.

It would be hundreds of years before the pagan practice of SUNday worship would be adopted.

Prophecies yet to be fulfilled mention the Sabbath.

You might want to revisit the issue.

Just a thought...

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Just a thought..

Why didn't paul wasnt the Jewish calendar, thatr had Sabbath for his churches?

10 You observe days and months and seasons and years! 11 I am afraid I may have labored over you in vain.

Why did Peter call the law a yoke, that he notr the fathers could bear, and even James did not want the law for the churches? Testing god Too...

Acts 15:10 Now, therefore, why are you putting God to the test by placing a yoke on the neck of the disciples that neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear?

Why did Paul NOT want what was torn down, Judaism rebuilt?


18 For if I rebuild what I tore down, I prove myself to be a transgressor.

please advise an insane person.

Why did Jesus keep the Sabbath? He kept the sabbath for the same reason He kept all the other Mosaic laws. He also observed the feasts. Jesus did these things because He was born a Jew, born under the law, that He might fulfill it and redeem His people from its penalty and bondage (Galatians 4:4; Romans 9:5).

sheina said:

Why did Jesus keep the Sabbath? He kept the sabbath for the same reason He kept all the other Mosaic laws. He also observed the feasts. Jesus did these things because He was born a Jew, born under the law, that He might fulfill it and redeem His people from its penalty and bondage (Galatians 4:4; Romans 9:5).

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I keep the ten commandments behind the door. Both tablets
just in case 'cause ya never know when some varmints show up.

If Not For Grace said:

You can not keep the "10" commandments, but it hurts nothing to try

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Youcan do it for a period of time and then it backfires. You're convicted of sin and then try agian. You always need to stay on top of it.
The Sabbath law changed into a different form. Yes, We did change it. It's really every so and so day, not forgetting about worship.