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As far as I know, I have no Italian in my bloodline.Hey I'm currious, got any Italian in you? Bet he doesn't eat meat medium rare, but does up a slab of ribs not and then on the que.
by the standards of the day I think I'm very honest. I don't think it can be documented.Why? you would just ignore it.
What's the question?
The question is... have you trusted Jesus Christ for Salvation?
If yes, then quit looking to the Law. Look upon Christ and live.
If you look to the Law for Salvation you will die, for in choosing to walk in the Law, one has to reject the Spirit that freed us from the Law.
Life is not found in the Law. Paul said when the Law came, sin revived and he died. Life is only found in Christ. If we look to Him for life, walking in His Spirit of perfect peace and liberty, we will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh. And if we are not fulfilling the lusts of the flesh, we have no need to be in bondage to the Law.
Originally Posted by from scratch
Since you have made a classic SDA speech, why is it that you don't show that faith icon? Is saying one is an SDA saying that they aren't a Christian? The only people or animals I know of that hide in some respect either sinned or are deceiving some one and both are acts of sin. There is no accusation in what I have presented. I only asked a fair question and made a general observation based on personal experience.
I'm not SDA. Why don't you have "hater of God's law" as your faith icon? The accusation about what sin is came from Paul. Paul said that sin is transgression of the law. If you have a problem with that, just tear that from your bible and go make yourself an idol to bow down to.
And for your question about your "non-religious" friends.
"For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another" - Romans 2:14-15
Jesus did not come and die to glorify the Law, Jesus came and died to redeem man from the curse of the law.This is a strange idea and believe.
Jesus came and died to glorify the law,
Funny, Paul tells us that God took away the sting of death for those who trust His Son.because God can not change the law that said: ..... for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.
Jesus never glorified the Law; not in His life, nor in His death. Where do you get the idea that He glorified the Law? That is unScriptural.After Jesus glorified the law by his painful and humiliated death on the cross, to confirm the righteousness and eternal character of His law, it would be very strange indeed if He cancelled the law afterwards, in order sinners might be released from the obligation to keep the law and thus released from the condemnation of the law. This is the hoax of Satan to deceive people.
News Flash, Jesus gave us new commandments to walk in... not the old letter of the Law.Jesus gave an example of true and holy Christian life during his life journey on earth, and John said: He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked. 1 John 2:6.
And yet Paul was the chief of sinners... imagine that.Paul the apostle said: I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me. Philippians 4:13.
There is not one iota of Scripture to back the notion that Jesus glorified the Law.The life and death of Jesus Christ was to glorify the law, and he said about his law:
The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul; - Psalm 19:7.
Blessed is the man whom You instruct, O LORD,And teach out of Your law, - Psalm 94:12.
Forever, O LORD,Your word is settled in heaven. Psalm 119:89. (Conforms with Rev. 11:19 - the tablets of stone kept in the Ark).
Direct my steps by Your word,And let no iniquity have dominion over me. Psalm 119:133.
The entirety of Your word is truth,And every one of Your righteous judgments endures forever. Psalm 119:160
For the commandment is a lamp, And the law a light; Reproofs of instruction are the way of life, - Proverbs 6:23.
The law of the wise is a fountain of life, To turn one away from the snares of death. - Proverbs 13:14.
One who turns away his ear from hearing the law, Even his prayer is an abomination. Proverbs 28:9.
You mix truth with error throughout your post. Acts 15 reveals to us that the Gentile Believers were not to be put under the yoke of burden called the Mosaic Law. Do you actually believe the Holy Spirit was working against Christ?Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever. Hebrews 13:8.
But the word of the LORD endures forever. Now this is the word which by the gospel was preached to you. 1 Peter 1:25.
Christ never glorified the Law, nor will He ever glorify the Law. The Law brought death to all who were subject to it.The same Christ today will always glorify his law. Why Christ life and death glorified the law? Because this law is the transcription of His own character, this law contains His great principle of unselfish love, which He had fulfilled with his death. The fulfillment of the law righteous demands that must be proven with Christ righteous blameless and holy life and His painful death is to confirm of the eternal jurisdiction of the law over men, whom Christ had redeemed.
Your truth mixed with error is really disheartening.He knew that His believers could fulfill the righteous holy demands of the law, because He gave His power and strength through His Spirit to enable them to keep and obey the law and fulfill it demands. For it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure. Phil. 2:13.
Therefore Paul affirms: that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. Romans 8:4.
The righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us who walk according to the Spirit, Who works in us to will and to do for His good pleasures, Who strengthen us to do all things, even keeping and obeying the law.
But Satan dislike the idea that Christian might achieve perfection and saved to eternal life. He threw out his hoax; you can not keep the law and fulfill its holy righteous demands ooh sinners, you will be forever under the law condemnation. The only way to escape it, is: NAILED THE LAW TO THE CROSS. Just trust Christ and he will transform you, it is his responsibility to safe you, you need nothing to do, just believe.
And many had been deceived.
By the way; when the law came, sin revived and Paul died, is not the fault of the law, but because Paul doesn't know that he is sinful, he though he is righteous still.
Life is found in Christ but death in rejecting and transgressing his law, which Christ himself has proven this. And He could not give life to those who reject his law, because He himself glorified the law with His life and death, thus establishing the eternal obligation to the law, as Paul had said: Do we nullify the law because of faith? God forbid! We established the law.
Originally Posted by Arthur57
Made up your mind!
Is the law nailed to the cross more then 2,000 years ago,
or
just nailed when faith came?
Today, maybe next month, maybe end of time because there would be many unbelievers till that day.
Picking up both to justify your believe that it is both ways, is a mixed and confused believe.
The law was nailed to the cross when Christ was. But one must be in Christ. We see that those who do not have the Spirit of Christ are none of His. So therefore they will be judged by their works. And we all know that works will not save a man.
Romans 7:4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.Most Christian theology teaches commandments from Jesus and the apostles with no problem. This anti law doctrine is not what Paul teaches. Its a perversion of the truth. It takes one part of His teaching and rejects the rest. It chooses what doctrine it wants to obey and throws out the rest.
FOR THOSE WHO REJECT THE LAW.
For those who wish to be subject to the LawFOR THOSE WHO REJECT THE LAW.
Now, if you agree the law nailed at the cross, then how can you know Christ and put your faith in Him? it is impossible without the law right? For the law was your tutor to bring you to Christ, that you might be justified by faith. Gal. 3:24; For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to you who believe. Romans 10:4.
Made up you mind! Is the law nailed to the cross 2,000 years ago, or would it end only when you have your righteousness by faith in Christ?
Romans 7:4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
I am not bound to the Law because I am bound to another... Jesus Christ. I will not be an adulterer and bind myself to the law. You may if you wish, but leave me out of it.
Jesus did not come and die to glorify the Law, Jesus came and died to redeem man from the curse of the law.
Funny, Paul tells us that God took away the sting of death for those who trust His Son.[/quote]because God can not change the law that said: ..... for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.
Jesus never glorified the Law; not in His life, nor in His death. Where do you get the idea that He glorified the Law? That is unScriptural.
News Flash, Jesus gave us new commandments to walk in... not the old letter of the Law.
And yet Paul was the chief of sinners... imagine that.
There is not one iota of Scripture to back the notion that Jesus glorified the Law.
You mix truth with error throughout your post. Acts 15 reveals to us that the Gentile Believers were not to be put under the yoke of burden called the Mosaic Law. Do you actually believe the Holy Spirit was working against Christ?
Christ never glorified the Law, nor will He ever glorify the Law. The Law brought death to all who were subject to it.
Your truth mixed with error is really disheartening.
For those who wish to be subject to the Law
Paul revealed in Romans 7:1-4 that those who marry Christ but live with the Law are adulterers. Do you really wish to be identified as such?
Originally Posted by Arthur57
Now, if you agree the law nailed at the cross, then how can you know Christ and put your faith in Him? it is impossible without the law right? For the law was your tutor to bring you to Christ, that you might be justified by faith. Gal. 3:24; For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to you who believe. Romans 10:4.
Made up you mind! Is the law nailed to the cross 2,000 years ago, or would it end only when you have your righteousness by faith in Christ?
For those who wish to be subject to the Law
Paul revealed in Romans 7:1-4 that those who marry Christ but live with the Law are adulterers. Do you really wish to be identified as such?
But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
The law of sin and death isn't the carnal mind.
Romans 8:3-5 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
The law could not cleanse us, that is why Christ had to die for us. Now that we have come to faith in Christ, we are freed from the bondage that required God's people of old to walk in the commandments of the Law.[/quote]
Try to think the other way that suit the Scripture.
The law could not cleanse us, that is why Christ had to die for us. Now that we have come to faith in Christ, we are freed from the dominion of sin, in order we might walk after the Spirit and fulfilled the righteous demands of the law. This is what Romans 8:4 says.
And put it in your mind, the law of God could never be a burden for man. And keeping the law is not a bondage to sin, but a freedom from sin, for, sin is transgression of the law.
Keeping the law in Christ is not self righteousness, but a manifestation of faith in Christ.
Romans 7 dealt with the law of sin and death in man, is the power of sin in a man, which is his carnal mind, that is enmity against God, for it is not subject to the law of god, never indeed can be (Romans 8:7).
The written law on stone tablets is a ministration of death to those who is against it. For it reveals the sin in man (Romans 7:7), it brought knowledge of sin (Romans 3:20), therefore, sin is transgression of the law (1 john 3:4).
And when this law was given, it was given in glory.
Please explain. Here is what God's Word says - But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
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