Originally posted by MamaZ.
Originally Posted by
Arthur57
Romans 2:13 - For not the hearers of the law are just in the sight of God, but the doers of the law will be justified;
Romans 3:20 - Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for by the law is the knowledge of sin. Galatians 2:16 - knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law; for by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified.
Which one is true?
Both are true!
One is saying that self righteousness brought no justification, on the contrary only shows the sin in us, for men is carnal but the law is spiritual (Rom. 7:14). Carnal mind is enmity against God and not subject to the law of God (Rom. 8:7), so, self righteousness is based on self effort, based on the flesh; it could never fulfill the righteous demands of the law, which is the unselfish love spirit. The only way men might be justified before God, is by faith in Jesus Christ.
The other one plainly says, law doers are those who keep the law, they will be justified and not the hearers of the law, which are so many including those who reject His law, who is against His law. How the way they would be justified is not clarified here, but only a mere confirmation that the law doers will be justified. To find out how they might be justified is by looking at other place of the Scripture.
Because this will be talking OOT, about justification, I will say shortly, that initial justification in the path of Christian walk is when he came first to Christ for salvation and accept Him as his personal Savior and Redeemer. Christ imputed his righteousness towards this man, and the sins of this man was shifted to Him, this man now stand before God as he is righteous, in fact he wasnt, he has none of righteousness whatsoever in him, he is a sinner, forgiven and justified for his faith. But life goes on, reborn as a baby in Christian faith, now he must walk as a Christian, withholding his faith to the end, and a walk in Christian life by faith is a walk after the Spirit, where the Spirit shed the love of God in his heart, and by this love he is able to fulfill the law demands through obedience If you love me, keep My commandments Jesus said. The righteousness of the law is fulfilled in him (Romans 8:4), the law of God successfully written in his heart and put in his mind, I desire to do your will, my God; your law is within my heart. Psalm 40:8.
The end of his Christian walk is in Christ, the end of his walking in the law of God is Christ, For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth. Romans 10:4.
By faith he kept walking in the law of God, fulfilling it demands, and be justified, he is a doer of the law.
Initial justification by faith to a sinner (law breaker); final justification by faith to a law doer. You could have the 1st without the last, but you wouldnt have the last without the 1st. and having only the 1st is having none at all.
And only the law doers have the right to enter the gate of heaven and eat the fruit of life, no one else.
19 Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world held accountable to God. 20 Therefore no one will be declared righteous in Gods sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin. (Quote).
This verse doesn't contradict my view as I had presented above.
Verse 19 tell us, those who are under the law are those who break the law. Who are the law breakers? Carnal men. And since our nature is carnal, we are all law breakers, all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.
Verse 20 tell us, as a presented above and repeat here shortly, self righteousness could not be justified. Except the righteousness of faith, obedience to the law based on faith, on love to Christ.
What Paul intent to say here in v. 19,20 is as what I had presented here. He was not promoting that the law is evil (The law is holy, good and just), or promoting to annul the law (v. 31 he established the law), but was teaching his readers that SELF RIGHTEOUSNESS could not be justified.