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SteveB28

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I already answered these questions.

No, you did a very thorough job in dodging them. I didn't ask you to compare Christianity, Judaism and Islam. I didn't ask you to describe their similarities and contrasts. I asked what you thought about beliefs in gods other than your own. Whether you thought those beliefs were true beliefs or false.
 
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amariselle

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Read my posts again. I clearly talked about the importance of believing that Jesus is who He said He is, the Son of God, our Saviour.

Perhaps you think that respectful answers are "dodging", but I refuse to resort to insults and condemnation of others. It is not my right nor my place to judge or condemn anyone. Jesus will judge the living and the dead.
 
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Did fine without what, before we invented what?
Ok, poor wording on my part. Obviously a theist believes religion began with divine contact, not an idea. Regardless, my point is that the first suggestion of religious belief is well into human history, and the beginning of the Abrahamic religions is even later. Homo sapiens had been surviving for more than 100k years by that point. There's no basis for saying that we would die off without religion.
I don't want to do those things, which is why I didn't do them. Go play victim with someone else. This is a ridiculous jump; I'm only interested in having an adult discussion.
 
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You aren't being asked to judge people, but to judge the claims that they make.
 
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Homo sapiens had been surviving for more than 100k years by that point.
Clearly the first covenant was with Adam. Yet according to Francis Collins and thus Theistic Evolution all of Creation began at the beginning of the Universe.

"If God is real, and I believe he is, then he is outside of nature. He is, therefore, not limited by the laws of nature in the way that we are. He's not limited by time. In the very moment of that flash in which the universe was created, an unimaginable burst of energy, God also had the plan of how that would coalesce into stars and galaxies, planets, and how life would arrive on a small planet near the outer rim of a spiral galaxy. And ultimately, over hundreds of millions of years, give rise to creatures with intelligence and in whom he could infuse this search for him and this knowledge of good and evil. And all of that happened in his mind in the blink of an eye. While it may seem to us that this whole process has the risk of randomness and, therefore, an unpredictable outcome, that was not the case for God." (Collins)

Read more at http://www.beliefnet.com/news/scien...cientific-adventures.aspx#LDwoYebSMhplxXm4.99
 
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amariselle

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You aren't being asked to judge people, but to judge the claims that they make.

I have already addressed some of the claims they make. The most important being who Jesus is.
 
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amariselle

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And are they wrong? And if so, why?

They do not believe what Jesus said about Himself. It is not about whether they believe me, but about whether they believe Him.
 
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They do not believe what Jesus said about Himself. It is not about whether they believe me, but about whether they believe Him.
He isn't here to make any claims though. You are.

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But the Bible is just a book, or rather a collection of books, that makes supernatural claims. How do you know such claims are true?
 
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amariselle

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He isn't here to make any claims though. You are.

The word of God has been given to us, and it is there that we learn about Jesus and what He said and did. Everyone is free to choose whether they accept the Bible or not.
 
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Let me quote Jesus himself in answer to your question. "I am the way the truth and the life, no,man comes to the Father but through me."

Sounds pretty clear on what Jesus claimed was the only way to the Father. Since Christians are followers of Christ we believe what he said. Now if you want to call Jesus a liar or a lunatic then that's between you and him.

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The word of God has been given to us, and it is there that we learn about Jesus and what He said and did. Everyone is free to choose whether they accept the Bible or not.
Once again, I don't know what you mean by "choose" here. It really doesn't make sense to say "choose" at all. The issue is whether one is convinced or not. You clearly are. But the question is why, which relates back to the previous question I asked.
 
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Once again, I don't know what you mean by "choose" here. It really doesn't make sense to say "choose" at all. The issue is whether one is convinced or not. You clearly are. But the question is why, which relates back to the previous question I asked.

I am convinced because I have searched the Scriptures (and continue to do so, as it's a ongoing process). And I have prayed for discernment and direction in all areas of my life. Jesus has never failed me.
 
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I am convinced because I have searched the Scriptures (and continue to do so, as it's a ongoing process). And I have prayed for discernment and direction in all areas of my life. Jesus has never failed me.
So you know such claims are true because you have "searched the Scriptures"? But what of those who have searched other scriptures and come to a radically different conclusion?
 
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amariselle

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So you know such claims are true because you have "searched the Scriptures"? But what of those who have searched other scriptures and come to a radically different conclusion?

Or what about those who have rejected all such things and believe it's ALL nonsense? My point remains, it is a choice. And it is a choice that each and every one of us must make.
 
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More accurately Jesus was reported as saying "I am the way the truth and the life, no,man comes to the Father but through me." also, I'm sure that the Son of God would have better punctuation than that.
 
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Or what about those who have rejected all such things and believe it's ALL nonsense? My point remains, it is a choice. And it is a choice that each and every one of us must make.
But you haven't been able to explain in what sense it is a "choice." So your points remains... in need of further support.
 
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amariselle

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But you haven't been able to explain in what sense it is a "choice." So your points remains... in need of further support.

It is a choice because it is available to everyone.
 
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