Do we still keep the Sabbath?

[Lynae]

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[Yarddog]

Do we still keep the Sabbath?

Not the Jewish Sabbath.

 

[Lynae]

So, we don't rest on Saturday Sabbath?????

 

[Hentenza]

Jesus is our Sabbath rest.

 

[Kaitlin08]

No. Sabbath rest is not required.

Colossians 2:15-17 NASB When He had disarmed the rulers and authorities, He made a public display of them, having triumphed over them through Him. Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day-- things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.

 

[Yekcidmij]

No, you don't observe the Sabbath of Moses. Some Christians observe the sabbath that was calculated by Rabbi's in the Middle Ages though.

 

[nathanlandon1]

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Yes.

It is one of the 10 commandments, and Christ followed the sabbath. Christ didn't change the law He fulfilled it by executing is perfectly. We are expected to follow Him, therefore we follow the law too.

As part of the new covenant, we are no longer slaves to the law i.e. breaking the law does not condemn us to hell. The only thing that condemns us to hell is to not believe in Christ and what he did for us. We cannot execute the law perfectly because we are not Christ, but we are to behave as if we were Christ and strive to follow the whole law (Christ-like, Christian.)

 

[Yekcidmij]

Yes.

It is one of the 10 commandments, and Christ followed the sabbath. Christ didn't change the law He fulfilled it by executing is perfectly. We are expected to follow Him, therefore we follow the law too.

As part of the new covenant, we are no longer slaves to the law i.e. breaking the law does not condemn us to hell. The only thing that condemns us to hell is to not believe in Christ and what he did for us. We cannot execute the law perfectly because we are not Christ, but we are to behave as if we were Christ and strive to follow the whole law (Christ-like, Christian.)

Well, you may observe Saturday and call it 'sabbath', but that isn't a Mosaic Sabbath.

 

[nathanlandon1]

Well, you may observe Saturday and call it 'sabbath', but that isn't a Mosaic Sabbath.

I observe Saturday (Friday sundown to Saturday sundown.) The 7th day sabbath was changed by the Catholic Church to the Sunday most Christians celebrate. It is the first day of the week, not the 7th; God labored on the first day.

 

[Hentenza]

I observe Saturday (Friday sundown to Saturday sundown.) The 7th day sabbath was changed by the Catholic Church to the Sunday most Christians celebrate. It is the first day of the week, not the 7th; God labored on the first day.

So you don't light a fire from Friday sundown until Saturday sundown? How about your house heater? Tell me, where in scripture is the sabbath commanded as a day of worship? Where in the NC did Jesus commanded the Christian to keep the Jewish Sabbath?

 

[Yekcidmij]

I observe Saturday (Friday sundown to Saturday sundown.) The 7th day sabbath was changed by the Catholic Church to the Sunday most Christians celebrate. It is the first day of the week, not the 7th; God labored on the first day.

Right, that's what I thought. That's not the Sabbath of Moses though. You are observing a sabbath on the Gregorian Calendar that was created by Pope Gregory, so just be careful before you bash on Rome.

 

[nathanlandon1]

Right, that's what I thought. That's not the Sabbath of Moses though.

It isn't?


Exodus 20:8-11 (Given to Moses by God)

Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:



But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:


For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Exodus 16:22-30 (before the 10 Commandments were formally given, a command was given to Moses by God)

And it came to pass, that on the sixth day they gathered twice as much bread, two omers for one man: and all the rulers of the congregation came and told Moses.

And he said unto them, This is that which the LORD hath said, To morrow is the rest of the holy sabbath unto the LORD: bake that which ye will bake to day, and seethe that ye will seethe; and that which remaineth over lay up for you to be kept until the morning.


And they laid it up till the morning, as Moses bade: and it did not stink, neither was there any worm therein.


And Moses said, Eat that to day; for to day is a sabbath unto the LORD: to day ye shall not find it in the field.


Six days ye shall gather it; but on the seventh day, which is the sabbath, in it there shall be none.


And it came to pass, that there went out some of the people on the seventh day for to gather, and they found none.


And the LORD said unto Moses, How long refuse ye to keep my commandments and my laws?


See, for that the LORD hath given you the sabbath, therefore he giveth you on the sixth day the bread of two days; abide ye every man in his place, let no man go out of his place on the seventh day.


So the people rested on the seventh day.

The seventh day is Saturday. Therefore, the Sabbath of Moses is on Saturday, the seventh day, as commanded by God.

I also do not go by the Gregorian calendar when possible, and SATURDAY is not Gregorian in nature. SATURDAY is the last day of a 7-day week of the LUNAR calendar, the Hebrew measurement for calendar.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebrew_calendar#Weeks

Gregorians go by the SOLAR calendar. I am not bashing the catholic church, I am stating fact.

http://www.wwco.com/religion/believe/believe_39.html

Letters to Pope Pius XII admitting the Catholic Church change from the "Jewish Sabbath to the Christian Sunday."

 

[Yekcidmij]

It isn't?


Exodus 20:8-11 (Given to Moses by God)



Exodus 16:22-30 (before the 10 Commandments were formally given, a command was given to Moses by God)



The seventh day is Saturday. Therefore, the Sabbath of Moses is on Saturday, the seventh day, as commanded by God.

No, Moses didn't have a Gregorian Calendar. Your Saturday is thanks to the creation of Julius Caesar and Pope Gregory. Moses did not use a Gregorian Calendar. I'm fully aware of the 7th day sabbath in the 10 commandments; it's just not the same as our Saturday on our modern [Gregorian] Calendar.

 

[nathanlandon1]

No, Moses didn't have a Gregorian Calendar. Your Saturday is thanks to the creation of Julius Caesar and Pope Gregory. Moses did not use a Gregorian Calendar. I'm fully aware of the 7th day sabbath in the 10 commandments; it's just not the same as our Saturday on our modern [Gregorian] Calendar.

Please see my edited post

 

[Yekcidmij]

It isn't?


Exodus 20:8-11 (Given to Moses by God)

Exodus 16:22-30 (before the 10 Commandments were formally given, a command was given to Moses by God)

The seventh day is Saturday. Therefore, the Sabbath of Moses is on Saturday, the seventh day, as commanded by God.

I also do not go by the Gregorian calendar when possible, and SATURDAY is not Gregorian in nature. SATURDAY is the last day of a 7-day week of the LUNAR calendar, the Hebrew measurement for calendar.

Hebrew calendar - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Gregorians go by the SOLAR calendar. I am not bashing the catholic church, I am stating fact.

THE ROMAN CHURCH'S ADMISSION OF CHANGING THE SABBATH

Letters to Pope Pius XII admitting the Catholic Church change from the "Jewish Sabbath to the Christian Sunday."

You do not observe a ancient Lunar Calendar or an ancient Israelite Calendar. If you observe every Saturday, you are using a Gregorian Calendar. A lunar calendar, like those found in ancient Israel, is based on observation of the moon, not precise astronomical calculations or solar events.

 

[nathanlandon1]

You do not observe a ancient Lunar Calendar or an ancient Israelite Calendar. If you observe every Saturday, you are using a Gregorian Calendar.

Then, give me proof that Saturday is Gregorian BY NATURE. I am not talking about the name only, give me proof showing me that the amount of time know as "saturday" is Gregorian in nature, and then show me which Gregorian "day" is the Hebrew Sabbath.

I have given you an admission by the Catholic church stating that they changed the Jewish Sabbath to the Christian Sunday, as well as stating the folly of Protestants that follow Sunday as their sabbath

We also say that of all Protestants, the Seventh-day Adventists are
the only group that reason correctly and are consistent with their
teachings. It is always somewhat laughable to see the Protestant Churches,
in pulpit and legislature, demand the observance of Sundays of which there
is nothing in the Bible.

The catholic Church said the above.

 

[Yekcidmij]

Then, give me proof that Saturday is Gregorian BY NATURE. I am not talking about the name only, give me proof showing me that the amount of time know as "saturday" is Gregorian in nature, and then show me which Gregorian "day" is the Hebrew Sabbath.

Ancient lunar calendars have their changing of months based on observation of the moon. When the moon changes to a new moon or a full moon (depending on what lunar calendar we are talking about) you have a change of month. Months were 12 in number, just like today. However, since the month is based on observation of the moon, it would contain about 29 or 30 days alternating each month. This gives you a total of 354 days. For the ancient Hebrew, the new year seems to have started either on the 1st day of the first month or perhaps the 1st day of the seventh month, though there are 2 other possibilities as well. Count off 7 days from the new year and you arrive at your first sabbath meaning the new year starts on the first day of the week.

Our modern calendar is based on fixed calculations. Our new year begins on Jan 1, regardless of the day of the week. Our months are 30 and 31 days (except Feb). However our calendar isn't perfect because every 4 years we fall behind a full day from the actual solar calendar (365.25 days) so we have an intercelated day every 4 years (leap year). Weeks on our calendar move in 7 day cycles non-stop and take no regard for lunar festivals like those of ancient desert dwellers.

If you wanted to figure out which day on our calendar is a lunar sabbath like one observed by Israelites, you would first have to figure out when the new year starts. From that point, count of 7 days and you have your first sabbath. Then it's just a matter of correlating that day to our calendar. For example, if you think the Israelite new year started on the 1st day of the 1st month, your first sabbath would be the 7th day of the first month, which was about a Monday on our calendar (http://www.chabad.org/calendar/view/month.asp?tDate=3/4/2010). I say "about" a Monday because we are talking about OBSERVATION of the moon, not a NASA calculation.

There are other difficulties not mention though such as the bible's mention of several different new year days. And should you begin each month on the first day of the week or is that just to start the new year? From where do we base our observation of the moon? Jerusalem? New York? Egypt? Rome? Iraq? And what happens if we can't see the new moon due to bad weather? And what do we do with those 11 extra days? And this isn't to mention that there is evidence for an ancient Israelite solar calendar as well nor is this to account for the calendars in use in Jesus' day.

 

[Yarddog]

So, we don't rest on Saturday Sabbath?????

I rest from my works everyday.

 

[Yarddog]

We also say that of all Protestants, the Seventh-day Adventists are
the only group that reason correctly and are consistent with their
teachings. It is always somewhat laughable to see the Protestant Churches,
in pulpit and legislature, demand the observance of Sundays of which there
is nothing in the Bible.


The catholic Church said the above.

Excuse me but the Catholic Church did not say the above statement. The editor of a Catholic magazine is not the Catholic Church.

 

[Harry3142]

Lynae-

As Gentiles 'grafted in' the apostles did not expect us to obey the Mosaic Law. What they did require of us is clearly stated in Scripture:

To the Gentile believers in Antioch, Syria and Cilicia.

Greetings.

We have heard that some went out from us without our authorization and disturbed you, troubling your minds by what they said. So we all agreed to choose some men and send them to you with our dear friends Barnabas and Paul - men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. Therefore we are sending Judas and Silas to confirm by word of mouth what we are writing. It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements: You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things.

Farewell. (Acts 15:23b-29,NIV)

The Ten Commandments are just part of a much larger set of laws and commandments, all of which Jesus was taught himself as a child and all of which were to be seen as equally important to God. There are 613 laws and commandments in all (365 negative; 248 positive), many of which are still enforced today as part of our civil and penal codes. There were some that were societally specific; there were some that depended on there being a temple in Jerusalem for them to be carried out. But the vast majority of them are capable of applying to everyone 'across the board' as they live their lives.

Here is a website where you can read the laws which Jesus himself studied, knew and kept perfectly:

www.answers.com/topic/613-mitzvot-1