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Because God is infinite, the Victim had be offered. The atonement is in the eternal presence of God.....even though it had to happen in time.
I quoted Scripture (and not a Baptist sermon) and I properly harmonized Scripture with Scripture before reaching my conclusion on doctrine. Children old enough to repent and believe the gospel may be baptized, but the Bible nowhere states that infants (who are incapable of repenting and believing the gospel) are to be baptized. You interpret Scripture according to Roman Catholic speak. I can see that you and I will never come to an agreement here. You also seem to have an ax to grind with Baptists, so it appears to be a church indoctrination thing going on here.
wow, been awhile since I have been here. but there is alot in this quote.
John the Baptist was filled with the HS before he was born....he was regenerated. Jeremiah was made also filled with HS from the womb....regeneration. King David trusted God upon his mothers breast (Ps 22:9) and nursing children have the ability to sing God's praise (Matthew 21:14f). But of course, most Baptists don't believe these examples.....they have to explain them away.
There are only two places in the NT which 1) contextually teach baptism and 2) instructs the church who can be baptized. Matthew 28:18-20 and Acts 2:38-39. Matthew 28 and Acts 2 are prescriptive texts; all other baptismal texts in the book of Acts are descriptive. In other words, Acts 2 and Mt. 28 are controlling verses (commands) concerning who can be baptized in the NT era.
Will any of these verses penetrate that Pentecostal type of Protisism or whatever of the 199,000 different denominations of the Protestant? Forget the rigamorole and just read the words as they are. If you can't figure it out, I'm afraid I can't help you understands what baptism really means. My personal feeling is that if it was good enough for Jesus and also endorsed by him as what a Christian should do I really can't figure out what else it can mean. The NT is full of endorsement that baptism is a symbol of your introduction to the Christian faith.
That is very true, however, I want to point to my last response which included a quote from the Book of Acts that states how our baptism is connected to Christ;s resurrection.....Again and remember how we must become a witness to the resurrection THROUGH our water baptism.
The last time I counted, there were exactly 199,349,297,110 different Protestant denominations. Or approximately 16 denominations per person in the world.
Absolutely YES!
Roman Catholics would agree with you but they also teach "infant baptism." What are your views on infant baptism?
"Infant baptism" is good for only two things: getting an infant wet, and getting them angry (some of the time).
So you do believe at least some of the truth.At least we agree on that.
I believe all of the truth. Repentance is a change of mind and the new direction of that change of mind is faith in Jesus Christ for salvation. (Acts 11:18,18; Acts 20:21) Two sides to the same coin. Those who have truly repented believe the gospel and those who believe the gospel have already repented in the process of changing their mind and choosing to believe the gospel.
This is true, and is on the way toward receiving salvation, but salvation is not yet received just because belief and repentance have been done.
Again, this is true, and is on the way toward receiving salvation, but salvation is not yet received just because belief and confession have been done.
Water baptism does indeed follow after belief, repentance, and confession, and is the point at which sins are actually removed (1 Pet 3:21, Col 2:11-14, Rom 6:1-7, Mark 16:16, Acts 2:38, Acts 22:16).
Your fixation on the "belief only" verses causes you a blind spot in relation to salvation. You must remember, Dan, that ALL Scripture is equally true at the same time. This means that while John 3:18 does indeed only mention belief, it does not override, overrule, or negate Rom 10:9-10, Acts 3:19, or Acts 2:38, all of which place a human action as a prerequisite for receiving salvation. If you really believe (have faith) then you will do what God says leads to receiving His gift. If you don't do what He says, then you really don't believe.
Agreed.
Do these passages of Scripture say that salvation is not yet received when one believes? (John 1:12; 3:15,16,18; 5:24; 6:40,47; 11:25,26; Acts 10:43; 13:39; 16:31; Romans 1:16; 4:5; 10:4; 1 Corinthians 1:21; 1 John 5:13 etc..). Repentance is implied or assumed because it already took place in the process of choosing to believe. (Acts 3:19; 11:17,18; 20:21)
Romans 10:8-10 says otherwise.
Why do you reverse the order of belief and repentance? See the proper order in (Matthew 21:32; Mark 1:15; Acts 20:21) The remission of sins is signified but is not procured in water baptism. Which of those verses above say that we are saved by grace through water baptism or that whoever is not water baptized will be condemned? Your eisegesis results in that conclusion. I have already thoroughly explained each of those verses to you before on multiple Christian forum sites, but you prefer your eisegesis instead.
You have a fixation on your 4-step plan of salvation with your main fixation being on water baptism. Remember that a symbol is not the reality but is a picture of the reality. You seem determined to "add" works to the gospel which is the power of God unto salvation to everyone who BELIEVES.. (Romans 1:16) You need to properly harmonize Scripture with Scripture before reaching your conclusion on doctrine instead of patching Scripture together in order to create a works based false gospel.
It's not about overriding or negating Scripture but Biblical hermeneutics.
Those passages do not state it. But Scripture is additive. If two passages say that different things (repentance, confession, and baptism) lead to one destination (salvation), then even if there is no passage that says so, it is not received until all of them are accomplished, or else the passages that say the excluded action is required become a lie.
I do not reverse the order. Belief and confession, confession and belief are both required BEFORE salvation is received, for both of them RESULT IN salvation being received (the result ALWAYS comes after the condition).
No Dan, there is no eisegesis. What does the Word of God say?
Wrong, I have a fixation on Scripture, and the proper understanding of it.
The Temple in Jerusalem, and the Tabernacle before it, was a symbol of the real thing in Heaven (Heb 8:5). But were the only place in which to worship God (make sacrifices, etc.) for over fourteen hundred years. The symbol can very much be real for as long as it is relevant. There will be no further Testament/Covenant beyond the New Covenant in Jesus' blood, so baptism will not cease to be the point at which we enter into union with Christ until the world ends.
To everyone who HAS FAITH (pistis in the Greek). And again, faith is not real if it does not include actions, and specifically the actions that God has said result in receiving His blessing of forgiveness/salvation.
I have perfectly harmonized Scripture with Scripture excluding nothing, negating nothing, and overriding nothing. You, and the others all around the world who teach the "easy believeism", "belief only", "faith only", "get baptized AFTER you are saved" false gospel have not properly harmonized Scripture with Scripture, and do indeed exclude, negate, and override many Scriptures in order to arrive at that false doctrine.
When one stands before God on Judgment Day, will God ask, "Were you baptized in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit?" Will you be confident when replying, "Lord, I did not get baptized because I was not sure how to do it correctly and if it mattered for salvation."
add the roman denominations. (Catholic and all the different types or orthodoxies) and thats an awful lot
it is if the person has called out to God. John 3 makes this clear. as does John 6 to name but a few
No. This would be a works based Gospel. My salvation is completed when I call out to God and God himself baptizes me into himself. where my sins are washed away (romans 6, 1 cor 12, gal 3 and Col 2 with the spiritual baptism done without hands
acts 2: 38 is the most mistranslated verse in scripture.
