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Your right. They get baptized in obedience to God after they are savedOne doesn't get baptized to get saved.
Now you contradicted yourself by saying your saved by the work of baptism. Which makes it a Work of meritOne is saved through God's gift and work of baptism to regenerate us.
-CryptoLutheran
Your right. They get baptized in obedience to God after they are saved
Now you contradicted yourself by saying your saved by the work of baptism. Which makes it a Work of merit
Getting baptized is important but it is more important to follow God's plan for you. I was raised in the Baptist church and they asked us to be baptized. My two older brothers agreed but I said no because it wasn't time, yet. A few years later, when I was about 12, I stopped going to that Church because I wasn't comfortable with the fire and brimstone preaching.I was just wondering does a person need to be baptized in water in order to be saved ?
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Yes! Water baptism is not found in John 3. We are born of the spirit by faith in the cross and Christ who was raised on itThat's absolutely correct.
Jesus stated the contrast, we are either born of The Spirit or born of the flesh. Water immersion in scripture only follows our birth by The Holy Spirit, our born from above heavenly gift.
It's only a demonstration materially what has already happened to us Spiritually.
Yeah it isThat's not what the Bible says.
Huge contradictionNo contradiction.
Not in water baptism, the one baptizing you is plus you are just like in circumcisionPay attention to the words I'm using. The one being baptized is passive, God is the active agent.
It’s your work just like water baptism is your workIf I drive to your house and drop off a million dollars on your door step, is that your work or my work?
?-CryptoLutheran
Your trying to twist what is actually going on in an attempt to maintain your gospel of works.
Building the ark has no bearing on his eternal salvation. Now it died on his physical salvation. And saved mankind from being wiped off the face of the earth. He and his wife essentially became a new Adam and Eve, but it had no bearing on his eternal life.
You're not going to get many straight answers from him.
He has an odd sort of messianic type of belief that pushes following the law of moses at all costs, as well as an unhealthy fixation on Israel in the scriptures, in other words, every section of scripture has something to do with israel instead of the gentiles. Every answer you give him only sparks more questions out of him.
I am confused.
Noah did not have to build the ark
but we need to be baptized in water.
Whats the difference? They are both in this context works of merit.
My straight answer was found at the beginning of my exchange with all of you here Do we need to be baptized in order to be saved ?
"But we, the uncircumcised are justified through faith of Christ (Romans 3:22, Galatians 2:16), which does not require works (Romans 4:5)."
You obviously ignored that conclusion when you claim I "pushes following the law of moses at all costs"
Their faith would not have been real, it would not have existed at all, without their actions. Each of the people mentioned did what they did "by" or "in" faith. It was their faith that made their actions meaningful, and it was their actions that made their faith complete. Both are required, or neither has any meaning.I disagree.
Chapter 11 is the faith chapter, not the works chapter. It is their faith that is praised by GOD, not any works of theirs that followed.
Faith always comes first.
see. we have this backwards.Their faith would not have been real, it would not have existed at all, without their actions. Each of the people mentioned did what they did "by" or "in" faith. It was their faith that made their actions meaningful, and it was their actions that made their faith complete. Both are required, or neither has any meaning.
We are justified by our faith IN Christ, not the faith OF Christ. And as Rom 3:22 states, there is no distinction between "the circumcision" (Jews) and "the uncircumcision) (Gentiles), so there is no distinction between the faith required of the two groups. The two groups are now one, and there is no separation, distinction, or division between them. The same faith (requiring works to be real) is required of all mankind.The way to reconcile both your views is the following statement by Paul in Romans 3:30
30 Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.
Hebrews 11, written to the circumcised, is about justification by faith, which requires a corresponding work.
As James would further explain to the 12 tribes of Israel, their justification, is based on faith and works (James 2:24)
But we, the uncircumcised are justified through faith of Christ (Romans 3:22, Galatians 2:16), which does not require works (Romans 4:5).
You should know better than that ! (I think)People need to focus on faith. not works.
yes, Paul in romans 4 makes this clearWe are justified by our faith IN Christ, not the faith OF Christ. And as Rom 3:22 states, there is no distinction between "the circumcision" (Jews) and "the uncircumcision) (Gentiles), so there is no distinction between the faith required of the two groups. The two groups are now one, and there is no separation, distinction, or division between them. The same faith (requiring works to be real) is required of all mankind.
focusing on works and not faith has been an issue going all the way back to adam.You should know better than that ! (I think)
Follow Jesus. Be becoming like an infant/ little child, trusting Him.
Listen to His Voice all the time. Test everything though, by Scripture and/or in prayer. The enemy might imitate Jesus and trick multitudes.(as it is happening today)
Focus on Jesus, Listen to Jesus, Read what Jesus Says TO DO,focusing on works and not faith
Thats all fine and dandy.Focus on Jesus, Listen to Jesus, Read what Jesus Says TO DO,
and as written, let everything done, everything every day you do, be what the Father directs you to do. Likewise, every word.
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