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We are not born sinners. Being born is not a sin. We are born with Free Will, and hence we have choices and the consequences of our actions. It is Free Won't that we need to cultivate.
LOL well now this goes directly against what scripture says..We are not born sinners. Being born is not a sin. We are born with Free Will, and hence we have choices and the consequences of our actions. It is Free Won't that we need to cultivate.
LOL well now this goes directly against what scripture says..
Rom 6:1 What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin so that grace may increase?
Rom 6:2 May it never be! How shall we who died to sin still live in it?
Rom 6:3 Or do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus have been baptized into His death?
Rom 6:4 Therefore we have been buried with Him through baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we too might walk in newness of life.
Rom 6:5 For if we have become united with Him in the likeness of His death, certainly we shall also be in the likeness of His resurrection,
Rom 6:6 knowing this, that our old self was crucified with Him, in order that our body of sin might be done away with, so that we would no longer be slaves to sin;
Rom 6:7 for he who has died is freed from sin.
Rom 6:8 Now if we have died with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with Him,
Rom 6:9 knowing that Christ, having been raised from the dead, is never to die again; death no longer is master over Him.
Rom 6:10 For the death that He died, He died to sin once for all; but the life that He lives, He lives to God.
Babies are born sinners. I am sorry but this truth. In fact they are conceived in sin..I don't read that into those verses. How does a child sin? They know no different, and how can you condemn those who don't know? Paul is speaking to adults, and yes, you must die in the flesh, as ALL flesh must die. Imputed sin, because of a sentence 6000 years ago is ridiculous.
He says that you are dead to sin. Of course you are as death has been defeated and the bridge restored. This is Spiritual, only. To live in the Spirit, while remaining in the flesh. Your flesh can still sin, but your reborn spirit, infused with His Spirit, making up the Body of Christ cannot sin. In Him there was and is no sin.
But to say that a baby born, is a sinner, when no sinned has occurred is judgmental, to say the least. Best leave that to God.
Think like a child for a second.
Jesus came to save us, right? Yes, by His sacrifice ALL are saved.
How does one get saved, if you die as a baby, when doctrine states you died in your sin, though it be"original"? Impossible, as no sin can inherit the kingdom, right? This is why ALL these doctrines had to be written to support such a theory, like "cardinal" sin, and "lesser" sins. Comon, where is this biblically, and no matter what, if you can show this to me, takes away from the VERY SACRIFICE made on the cross.
Adam sinned and the curse or punishment was death for ALL in the flesh AND still the SPIRIT couldn't get home, and the way to Eden blocked off from mankind. When people before Christ Died, they couldn't get home to the Father.
Jesus died so that ALL may be saved, and by His Word, the kingdom to be restored. When death was defeated the Word says the graves were opened up, and walked upon the earth. This was the first resurrection of the saints. Transform bodies who can walk and talk. Fulfilled as promised:
Eze 37:13And ye shall know that I [am] the LORD, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,
Mat 27:52And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
To say anything else takes away from these basic facts. Even those who had died, before Christ, were waiting until the promise was fulfilled. Only these were saints who kept the Law, and kept the Word of the Promise. Fleshly men and women, who died in the flesh.
I don't read that into those verses. How does a child sin? They know no different, and how can you condemn those who don't know? Paul is speaking to adults, and yes, you must die in the flesh, as ALL flesh must die. Imputed sin, because of a sentence 6000 years ago is ridiculous.
He says that you are dead to sin. Of course you are as death has been defeated and the bridge restored. This is Spiritual, only. To live in the Spirit, while remaining in the flesh. Your flesh can still sin, but your reborn spirit, infused with His Spirit, making up the Body of Christ cannot sin. In Him there was and is no sin.
But to say that a baby born, is a sinner, when no sinned has occurred is judgmental, to say the least. Best leave that to God.
Think like a child for a second.
Jesus came to save us, right? Yes, by His sacrifice ALL are saved.
How does one get saved, if you die as a baby, when doctrine states you died in your sin, though it be"original"? Impossible, as no sin can inherit the kingdom, right? This is why ALL these doctrines had to be written to support such a theory, like "cardinal" sin, and "lesser" sins. Comon, where is this biblically, and no matter what, if you can show this to me, takes away from the VERY SACRIFICE made on the cross.
Adam sinned and the curse or punishment was death for ALL in the flesh AND still the SPIRIT couldn't get home, and the way to Eden blocked off from mankind. When people before Christ Died, they couldn't get home to the Father.
Jesus died so that ALL may be saved, and by His Word, the kingdom to be restored. When death was defeated the Word says the graves were opened up, and walked upon the earth. This was the first resurrection of the saints. Transform bodies who can walk and talk. Fulfilled as promised:
Eze 37:13And ye shall know that I [am] the LORD, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,
Mat 27:52And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
To say anything else takes away from these basic facts. Even those who had died, before Christ, were waiting until the promise was fulfilled. Only these were saints who kept the Law, and kept the Word of the Promise. Fleshly men and women, who died in the flesh.
They all died in Faith knowing from the scriptures that Christ was their savior..Eze 37:13And ye shall know that I [am] the LORD, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,
Mat 27:52And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
To say anything else takes away from these basic facts. Even those who had died, before Christ, were waiting until the promise was fulfilled. Only these were saints who kept the Law, and kept the Word of the Promise. Fleshly men and women, who died in the flesh.
Babies are born sinners. I am sorry but this truth. In fact they are conceived in sin..
Be gracious to me, O God, according to Your lovingkindness; According to the greatness of Your compassion blot out my transgressions.
Psa 51:2 Wash me thoroughly from my iniquity And cleanse me from my sin.
Psa 51:3 For I know my transgressions, And my sin is ever before me.
Psa 51:4 Against You, You only, I have sinned And done what is evil in Your sight, So that You are justified when You speak And blameless when You judge.
Psa 51:5 Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, And in sin my mother conceived me.
Babies are born in sin. As all men are.. From the moment we are conceived we are.. That is why it is natural to sin..
LOL oh boy.. See the problem with what you are trying to say is that we are not sinners unless we sin. This is not the truth. We sin because we are sinners.. Born slave to sin since sin came in through Adam. A baby will grow up and sin.. In fact a baby at a small age will sin.David was born through sin, as his mother sinned to bring him in. How does this make David the sinner? I was brought forth perversely(or an act of perversion or consequence of) , and through sin my mother conceived me. So who sinned, David or his mother? Need to read up on the Hebrew there, as iniquity and sin are both different words.
Is this it? In the whole Bible? And it is questionable at best, to say the least. Churches base a whole doctrine on the fact that babies are born with original sin, right? Show me more please, as this won't do.
LOL oh boy.. See the problem with what you are trying to say is that we are not sinners unless we sin. This is not the truth. We sin because we are sinners.. Born slave to sin since sin came in through Adam. A baby will grow up and sin.. In fact a baby at a small age will sin.Because sin is falling short of the Glory of God..
He was tempted in all ways that we were yet without sin. Do you believe that God in the flesh could actually sin?Ok, let me ask a simple yet well thought out question, ok?
Could Jesus, being fully a man, of the flesh, ever have sinned? Careful how you answer that question, though. It must be fully thought out, and searched out for through the Spirit.
He was tempted in all ways that we were yet without sin. Do you believe that God in the flesh could actually sin?
Why all the hoopla about Marys virginity then?
Psalm 51:5 (King James Version)
Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.
Job 14 (King James Version)
Man that is born of a woman is of few days and full of trouble.
He cometh forth like a flower, and is cut down: he fleeth also as a shadow, and continueth not.
And doth thou open thine eyes upon such an one, and bringest me into judgment with thee?
Who can bring a clean thing out of an unclean? not one.
Surely you don't mean He was quasi human?The virgin birth important because Jesus is not simply human. He is God in the flesh.
This is crucial to the importance of His sacrifice. It's significant because it wasn't just a man who died on Calvary, God Himself made propitiation for us himself.
As for Job 14 - notice the words "man is ... of a few days and full of trouble.."
It isn't "from birth" - and it doesn't say "full of sin"
As for Psalm 51:5 - see my previous comments.
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