Do we have to keep all the New Testament commands?

WanderedHome

Active Member
Jul 26, 2019
245
253
Southern US
✟35,023.00
Country
United States
Faith
Eastern Orthodox
Marital Status
Single

Not all commands in the NT are for all Christians everywhere and at all times. For example, the rich young ruler. Jesus told him to sell everything he owns and give it to the poor. He told him that because he was too attached to his wealth, but He wasn't implying that we should all sell everything we own. The lesson we could learn is that God MIGHT be calling you to do this, but more importantly- we should hold our blessings with an open hand.
 
Upvote 0

Wordkeeper

Newbie
Oct 1, 2013
4,285
477
✟91,080.00
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
Well, God thinks following Him is more important than giving the poor relief. Goodness sake, He created evil/calamity, making a person blind from birth, just so that His great works could be displayed!

John 9
1As he went along, he saw a man blind from birth. 2His disciples asked him, “Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?”

3“Neither this man nor his parents sinned,”said Jesus, “but this happened so that the works of God might be displayed in him.

He wanted Israel to see His power while doing the works He revealed, by those like Christ, Moses, Peter, etc. so that they would be motivated like Rahab and Nicodemus to follow Him, obey every word that proceeded from His mouth, so that they could have eternal life. However, like Israel in the wilderness, they forgot what He did in Egypt:

Matthew 11
21"Woe to you, Chorazin! Woe to you, Bethsaida! For if the miracles had occurred in Tyre and Sidon which occurred in you, they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes.

Psalm 78:11
They forgot what He had done, the wonders He had shown them.

Psalm 78:42
They did not remember His power--the day He redeemed them from the adversary,

Psalm 106:21
They forgot God their Savior, who did great things in Egypt,

Which is more important, to fill a belly with bread which satisfies temporarily or give bread which removes hunger forever?

This is the Way, a repetitive motif seen throughout Scripture, how God convinces people to become His followers one small step at a time. Even Daniel's minder was turned this Way:

Daniel 1
14So he listened to them in this matter and tested them for ten days. 15At the end of ten days their appearance seemed better and they were fatter than all the youths who had been eating the king’s choice food. 16So the overseer continued to withhold their choice food and the wine they were to drink, and kept giving them vegetables.

And of course, the woman in sin is going to be blessed so abundantly she'll always be remembered by those she knew :

Matthew 26
6Now when Jesus was in Bethany, at the home of Simon the leper, 7a woman came to Him with an alabaster vial of very costly perfume, and she poured it on His head as He reclined at the table. 8But the disciples were indignant when they saw this, and said, “Why this waste? 9“For this perfume might have been sold for a high price and the money given to the poor.” 10But Jesus, aware of this, said to them, “Why do you bother the woman? For she has done a good deed to Me. 11“For you always have the poor with you; but you do not always have Me. 12“For when she poured this perfume on My body, she did it to prepare Me for burial.13“Truly I say to you, wherever this gospel is preached in the whole world, what this woman has done will also be spoken of in memory of her.”
 
Last edited:
Upvote 0

Anguspure

Kaitiaki Peacemakers NZ
Site Supporter
Jun 28, 2011
3,865
1,769
New Zealand
✟125,935.00
Country
New Zealand
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Single
Only in so far as that He is a different person. Nevertheless how can we say that we Love our Father and yet hate His children?
The evidence of how well you know Him and Love Him is in the way you treat others.
 
Reactions: bekkilyn
Upvote 0

Dreamdweller

Member
Jul 26, 2019
10
4
48
Scottsdale
✟8,431.00
Country
United States
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Single

I've spoken with my pastor about this. When God wrote the 10 commandments, He knew we would never follow every single one, every single day till we died. It's impossible. He wrote them to show us that we are not perfect. We strive to do what God commands. But no one can achieve that.

Think of this quote, "even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe; for there is no distinction; for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, being justified as a gift by His grace through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus." (Romans 3:22-24)

It says, "...for ALL have sinned.." There are no sub-quotes or hidden meanings. When the Bible says, "God found favor..." with someone, that doesn't mean they are exempt from this. John 14:6..."no one comes to the Father but through Me."

God knows we are going to fall. But if we accept His Son, then He will build us back up. Just like when a person lifts weights, they actually tear their muscles as they strain. It isn't until you are resting, that your body actually becomes stronger as it heals.

God will allow you to be knocked down, over and over. But each time He lifts you back up, He is making you more like Him. You will start to find your love of things getting stronger. But also remember, your hate for things will grow as well. When you accept Him, you also draw the attention of another...Ephesians 6:12.
 
Upvote 0

bekkilyn

Contemplative Christian
Site Supporter
Apr 27, 2017
7,612
8,475
USA
✟677,608.00
Country
United States
Faith
Methodist
Marital Status
Celibate
Politics
US-Others
Well, God thinks following Him is more important than giving the poor relief. Goodness sake, He created evil/calamity, making a person blind from birth, just so that His great works could be displayed!

I am beyond speechless by this statement. I can only say that it explains a lot concerning my disagreements on this thread.
 
Reactions: devin553344
Upvote 0

Sketcher

Born Imperishable
Feb 23, 2004
38,984
9,401
✟380,259.00
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Single
Politics
US-Republican
Jewish tradition states that a command in the Law may be broken if needed to preserve life. That would explain God's favor in Exodus 1:15-20. It would also explain Jesus' alleged breaking of the Sabbath (Luke 6:1-11 and 13:10-17). Note that Jesus didn't abuse it to indulge in whatever he wanted, as some would do. But it does provide some framework for making sense of what to do when it seems that obeying one command would mean breaking another.
 
Upvote 0

Wordkeeper

Newbie
Oct 1, 2013
4,285
477
✟91,080.00
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
Let me offer a thought for your reflection. It is important to do charitable deeds, they have an intrinsic value, but more importantly, the aftermath also counts. Loving involves sacrifice, which is why people are careful about doing good deeds, but God wants the world to know that He is involved in the good acts done by His followers, by making sure do gooders DON'T suffer, thereby motivating others to imitate the doer.

The two important points which MUST be taught while doing good works:

1.Do gooders will not lose out
2.God is the reason

That is why Moses was punished, by not being allowed to be the one who led Israel into the Promised Land.
 
Upvote 0

Wordkeeper

Newbie
Oct 1, 2013
4,285
477
✟91,080.00
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
I am beyond speechless by this statement. I can only say that it explains a lot concerning my disagreements on this thread.
King James Bible
Isaiah 45
7I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

Berean Study Bible
Isaiah 45
7I form light and create darkness; I bring prosperity and create calamity. I, the LORD, do all these things.
 
Reactions: MikeinSeattle
Upvote 0

Dreamdweller

Member
Jul 26, 2019
10
4
48
Scottsdale
✟8,431.00
Country
United States
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Single
I am beyond speechless by this statement. I can only say that it explains a lot concerning my disagreements on this thread.

I'm one of those "good guys" that was never accepted by most people. I always looked back at history and found myself asking God over and over, "Why didn't you allow me to be born during the Renaissance era? I would have flourished there."

After some years went by, He made me realize that I would have flourished there. But I wouldn't have been tested as hard. My desire has been to love Him more. If that's true, then what environment would test me more?

It sounds crazy to people when they hear it. So what. If people want to purposely cause a rift, just remember Matthew 7:6. This is about trying to discuss His Word with someone who wants nothing more than discord.

The verse (Isaiah 45:7) is saying this...
When God made the light...the opposite was also made.
When God caused well-being...the opposite was also made.
You can't have one and not the other...at least not yet.
 
Last edited:
Upvote 0

bekkilyn

Contemplative Christian
Site Supporter
Apr 27, 2017
7,612
8,475
USA
✟677,608.00
Country
United States
Faith
Methodist
Marital Status
Celibate
Politics
US-Others

I think you're probably right. I'd already about decided to stop trying to discuss anything with the legalist, fundamentalist types, and it's probably also not worth trying to have a discussion with someone who sincerely believes that God has an evil nature. I suppose I just really want people to be able to experience God's limitless and absolute goodness and love, but it's God himself who will need to do that work in all of us.
 
Reactions: klutedavid
Upvote 0
This site stays free and accessible to all because of donations from people like you.
Consider making a one-time or monthly donation. We appreciate your support!
- Dan Doughty and Team Christian Forums

timothyu

Well-Known Member
Dec 31, 2018
22,554
8,436
up there
✟307,686.00
Country
Canada
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Private
Nothing good may come of it for them but it often forces us to study and grow.
 
Upvote 0

bekkilyn

Contemplative Christian
Site Supporter
Apr 27, 2017
7,612
8,475
USA
✟677,608.00
Country
United States
Faith
Methodist
Marital Status
Celibate
Politics
US-Others
Nothing good may come of it for them but it often forces us to study and grow.

Sometimes. But other times it just keeps going around and around and ends up being arguing for the sake of arguing.

But I suppose if we did take the premise that God is indeed the source of all evil, then he probably would be the type of god who would threaten severe punishment on anyone who didn't do everything exactly as he says, and then some, and so in that sense, Christianity would indeed be all about figuring out how to perfectly obey hundreds of different commandments.

(Not that I believe the above in any way, but just following it to what may be a natural conclusion of such a premise.)
 
Reactions: ~Zao~
Upvote 0

Dreamdweller

Member
Jul 26, 2019
10
4
48
Scottsdale
✟8,431.00
Country
United States
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Single

Don't get wrong. Go through Revelation and you'll see just how bad God's wrath is going to get. And yet, it shows that God gave them chances to stop their ways, and they still refused. If people thought that God wiping out the planet with the Flood was bad, they haven't seen anything yet.

I'll leave you with a thought that my pastor once left me with:...
If 100 people decided to foolishly jump off a cliff, and I'm able to stop 20 of them...does that make me responsible for the other 80?...referring to Saul's conversion (Acts 9:3-6).

It shows that even a horrible person like Saul will be saved when he had no reason to be. But even Saul will be punished for what he did....Acts 9:15-16.
 
Upvote 0

bekkilyn

Contemplative Christian
Site Supporter
Apr 27, 2017
7,612
8,475
USA
✟677,608.00
Country
United States
Faith
Methodist
Marital Status
Celibate
Politics
US-Others

Even interpreting Revelation in the most wrathful way possible shows God fighting *against* evil, wiping out all sin in the process. He's angry *at* the evil, not causing it.
 
Reactions: Dreamdweller
Upvote 0

devin553344

I believe in the Resurrection
Nov 10, 2015
3,607
2,249
Unkown
✟93,810.00
Country
United States
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Single
Politics
US-Republican

You have to spell out Acts of the Apostles 9:15-16 to get the popup scripture, BTW.
 
Upvote 0
This site stays free and accessible to all because of donations from people like you.
Consider making a one-time or monthly donation. We appreciate your support!
- Dan Doughty and Team Christian Forums

Blade

Veteran
Site Supporter
Dec 29, 2002
8,167
3,992
USA
✟630,797.00
Country
United States
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
"Do we have to keep all the New Testament commands?" When they were given.. and all the law was given 'I will put my law in their minds and write it on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people." <----did this already happen?

Reread the 10 commandments. Anything written there that is NOW not written on heart? Back then they HAD to have that. We don't. Its written on our heart. Never reading the bible you KNOW its not wise to steal to do harm to take what others have..on and on. Free choice.
 
Upvote 0
This site stays free and accessible to all because of donations from people like you.
Consider making a one-time or monthly donation. We appreciate your support!
- Dan Doughty and Team Christian Forums

CharismaticLady

Well-Known Member
Site Supporter
Jun 14, 2019
2,596
654
76
Tennessee
✟140,294.00
Country
United States
Faith
Charismatic
Marital Status
Celibate

Does it cramp your style, or what is it you object to?
 
Upvote 0