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Do we have the right to harm ourselves? It seems to me that if we belong only to ourselves then we have every right. But if there's some sense in which we belong to others then we have no right.
Thoughts?
No one truly believes that accidental materials gave us everything including our non material human entities of mind, will, love, reason, logic, abstract thinking, etc... Its just a convenient charade so One can be his own 'god' thereby doing whatever he feels like ....even harming himself deliberately or due to consequences of bad decision making. Failure = Success doing the wrong things .
Being 'an atheist' is not a reasonable nor logical position....and harming Oneself deliberately is an affront to the Creator and to Oneself who has the responsibility to care for him/herself. Its called self preservation and its a concept the Creator has given all of us because we are wonderfully made . Read Psalm 139 for just how wonderful.
Believe in and follow Secular Humanism, and watch how fast a Person goes downhill in life because he cant even have basic respect and dignity toward Himself. This is what we were all brainwashed with thru the public school system , but now we are done with the indoctrination, we can get back to loving God and appropriately loving ourselves .
That's right. Fortunately, we belong only to ourselves. We are no one else's property.
eudaimonia,
Mark
Yes. I don´t deal in "rights" (other than as a legal term - and this is apparently not what you have in mind). The question is meaningless to me. Could you reword it for me?
Yes we have the right of self determination.
So are you saying that no one else has any claim to your life?
I'm not sure that this is true. I've made certain promises and commitments to my wife. Don't I belong to her in some sense?
I believe I certainly belong to my sons. I am their father and they have some ownership of me.
It would be wrong for me to abandon them because I am theirs.
If I were to commit suicide I would be robbing them of something, would I not?
Better ask about circumcision then if you ever meet the god implied by your faith.
Do we have the right to harm ourselves? It seems to me that if we belong only to ourselves then we have every right. But if there's some sense in which we belong to others then we have no right.
Thoughts?
If by claim you mean an unchosen obligation then yes that's what I'm saying. I don't recognize anyone's right to one minute of my life without my consent.
Not as property.
You aren't her slave, nor is she yours. You are companions who have lives of your own to lead, and who have agreed to be fellow travelers in life. Whatever promises and commitments you may have made do not override your own humanity and expectations of dignity accorded to free individuals.
I think that "ownership" is the wrong concept here.
I agree that it would be wrong for you to abandon them, but not because you are their slave.
That's an interesting question. I don't think that it works quite like that. It's not that you are robbing them of something, but rather that you are shirking your obligations towards them
obligations that you really owe to yourself.
As you may have guessed I am not dealing in "responsibilities" (beyond the legal realm), either.The other side of the coin of "rights" is "responsibilities" so the question could be reworded to say: "Does harming ourselves conflict with our responsibilities to others?"
Do you shape your relationship with your children in terms of "rights" and "obligations"?Do you have children?
I do. Three of them in fact.
Do you shape your relationship with your children in terms of "rights" and "obligations"?
As you may have guessed I am not dealing in "responsibilities" (beyond the legal realm), either.
I think there are better ways to think of our relationships with others.
Think about when your children were young. What if you suddenly decided that you did not want to give them your time and attention, so you abandoned them. Would that be wrong? If so, why?
Yes it would be wrong because it would conflict with my own values. This does not make me their property or them mine. I don't believe that parenthood consists of breeding slaves or becoming one. It is a mutual trade.
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