• Starting today August 7th, 2024, in order to post in the Married Couples, Courting Couples, or Singles forums, you will not be allowed to post if you have your Marital status designated as private. Announcements will be made in the respective forums as well but please note that if yours is currently listed as Private, you will need to submit a ticket in the Support Area to have yours changed.

do we have all the fact's on the beast? Can he be identified?

philosopher1on1

Active Member
Dec 8, 2003
34
3
56
Wrexham
✟169.00
Faith
Oneness
Hi, love the site, most excellent level's of independance here.

My problem though, may concern some of you as well. Religion has refused to step up and impose it's influence on the problem's that the world is facing. If anything, it seem's more and more reluctant to get involved! What does it fear? The book of revalation's may be a growing concern for these institution's?

Their fear's, through their position's within all this, is about to be played out! The aspect's of religion you have been allowed to witness, could never be enough to satisfy the soul's it was designed to enhance, conspiracy, corruption, control all depended on the secret's that have been destroyed, for the greater good? Classified, restricted, however possible, they felt that they were protecting the human race?

For nearly two thousand years you've been cheated and lied to for all the reason's your told not to practice as this is the way of the whicked, evil, and yet they capatilised on your ignorance. Two thousand years to build empire's, empires built on greed, death, fear, yet reveal themselve's to be acting on the order's of their god, your god.

In the name of the Lord!

Well if you know your stuff, the beast already walk's the earth.
The book of revalation's has been edited. You have been decieved and 666 is nothing more than flesh and blood, a mere man. This man has the ability to aquire the truth to mankinds existance, enlightened as to what and who we are. These institution's fear this man as he is not of sin, he is pure in thought and singular in definition.
This unique perspective come's through having to live a life of ordinary existance, a position of balance, able to witness thing's on a impartial level.
Ordinary man need not fear this beast, in fact this soul can not be guided by evil, and stands independent of god. He is neither ****** nor saved at this point. The man is not to be feared, the innosense that presented this opertunity, is there for any man to achieve, he is just the first of many.

The mark is significant to him and him alone. This mark is known to man yet the secret, few are willing to share. They think they can deny the beast, he is only one soul? Yet this soul has stood before god, not in judgemet and not as an equal. But as an example of what is possible.

They fear this soul, for his understanding will release the grip they have on you.
He is not the beast, he is here to slay the beast!

They promote fear, controling you through your soul but never allowing you the chance to exersise your God given right to connect in true spirit. Your corruption, is a birth right, born into a society dependant on your contribution, no matter how small, it's this commitment that you feel obligated to follow, though, for the larger part of humanity, this restriction is to force an understanding that not all is right in the world, a connection is made that can redefine an idividual to the extent of persuing knowledge to help with his advancing understanding's. Time is the most presciuos comodity we have! Time to grow has been manipulated to suit other need's!

Jesus expressed his feeling's towards the growing hypocrocy within the church yet nothing changed. The church and what it represent's is built on foudations that will stand the test of time. What stand's on these foundation's need's to be taken down brick by brick, salvage what we can and set about redefining what God has designed us to do, communicate!

Go and read up on what the beast represent's. Some good post's on this site. It's the idea of the beast, the Omen and Damien, bad representation. He has an understanding that creates fear, fear for who?

The church is on it's knees for a reason. A new religion will be our down fall. How can a truth, a fundemental understanding of design and our part in it, result, in our downfall? Taking a significant step closer to God is a step in the right direction, however you look at it!

Anyway, have a go at the rest, maybe better to print it out? I think it's rather meaty? Like all thing's complicated, they only remain complicated till some bright spark makes it easy.

The problem is, the whole theory on existence has never been truly defined. So what I am about to attempt, is tie up a few loose ends.

The evolution of humanity now depends on acceptance. The world in which we exist, is obviously waiting to be redefined. Who is capable of such a task? Well, lets say, the last guy who tried to save us was pinned to a cross. Wow, did they get it wrong. It was supposed to be the birth of something beautiful, look how it's ended up. Just have a quick reflection on what religion has achieved? And don't fall behind that vial of ignorance that seems to shroud common sense when your belief's are being questioned!
I believe religion set out on mission impossible! The intentions, all well and good! The result's, just look at the world we live in.

All religion's are based on the same theory, 'Do unto other's, as you would have done unto you!' All religion's understand the benefit's of a higher order existence. Contemplation and meditation offer opportunities to rise to this realm. Yet few are truly destined to follow this path, the path to true enlightenment. These few are referred to as the chosen one's, the blessed - different religion's, different culture's but same relevance. From popes to witch doctors, philosopher's and artist's to scientist's and mathematician's, they where all capable of this higher understanding. And what is even more remarkable, is, these individuals might as well of just fallen out of the sky because as I understand it, they had a hard time, many of them were treated like aliens. These humble, self sacrificing genius's, with only one true purpose, to better humanities understanding's.

So, we understand these individuals existed, history is littered with them, yet most are recognised far too late. So many answer's to so many questions died with them. The greatest mind's that ever existed, what would they make of the world today? So many predictions were made, nearly as many revelation's, both in science and society but still the ignorance grows daily. Capitalism is consuming itself, the social divide, class, wealth to poverty, power and corruption.

Have we passed that all to fatal line that defines our existence? Are we doomed? Do you care? Could you accept change on epic proportions, science is telling us on a daily basis that we need to slow down and take stock. New advances in all area's promote the need to redefine our understanding of what and who we are. Do we really need a sign from god, if there is a god? In all, we are conscious beings! Can we not be capable of mapping out our own involvement in all this that constitutes a universe? We are capable of so much! It all has to start somewhere.


Now what I want you to do is to forget what you've learned so far as regards to space and time and most important one of all religion. Try to imagine your sat in front of a black board, on this blackboard I have drawn a large arc. On the outer region of this large arc, there lies a time and space where no matter exists, nothing physical, only energy. Two dimensional? On the inner region of this arc lies our universe, an ever growing physical three dimensional sphere. This energy that exists within this outer space is produced by individual entities. The density of this realm forbids the existence of physical presence. A purity of time and space creates this realm. Pure antimatter. Here, the laws of existence takes on a whole new definition. A soul can exist, connected to the immediate souls that constitute it's environment, connected in a way that all knowledge is shared freely, knowledge is everything. As you pass other entities their understandings are shared and their experiences become part of you.

Getting back to the arc. This arc symbolises the edge of the universe, forever increasing, yet no one has been able to offer a plausible understanding of what reaction is taking place here, stand back. Okay, imagine this arc to be all consuming, like a huge part of a large sphere growing exponentially, this sphere, is the ever growing universe. What is happening here is a simple chemical reaction (not yet understood). I think plasma may explain this phenomena, so visualise this as a ball with it's perimeter burning, consuming the darkness with an insatiable appetite. The dense vacuous space, rushing to get a glimpse of this infant that is suckling on the life force contained within, a complexed entity that is conscious of self sacrifice for the greater cause.

Now I'm going to tackle the big one, God. This belief, in an omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient, entity, that up until now has and will continue for some time yet, this belief requires a huge amount of faith. But if he or she exists, you can understand the entertainment value all this can bring.
Okay, let's take it back to before this universe's conception. God, in his infinite wisdom, decided that if an entity is to exist, the laws of nature have to be appreciated before they can be applied. An understanding of existence would be achieved in a relatively short time if information passed freely between entities, without physical obstruction. This construction of morality ultimately would define what we are capable of.

Thinking logically, if you had to put something like this into operation you would have to approach this phenomenon knowing that the end result will take the form of perpetual existence, one lives for the other.

The first order is to create the concept of individuality. A single entity, conscious of it's own existence, capable of inspirational thought and spiritly connected to every other entity within it's immediate environment, knowledge passing freely, the ability to change environments, experiences shared on an emotional level, understanding achievable by all.
Morality defined and a balance in place. The balance between right and wrong, good and evil, this concept, is something that is fundamental to our existence and we feel it! Once achieved, this concept offers direction to a soul, these law's are there to guide the soul through it's evolutionary process, help it maintain a balance so it can fulfil it's true destiny.

This balance, I keep referring to, I will try to explain. As the higher order began to first experience emotion, all boundaries became brutally obvious! This understanding gave rise to choice, you either preferred to share in well-being or you enjoyed chaos. Good v Evil. As time goes on, the divide between these two realms grows, yet the universe just continues to consume them both indiscriminately. So both continue recruiting for their own never ending cause.

As this higher realm is devoured, the substance that makes up the space for these entities to exist in, provides the building blocks to the fabric of our universe. When one of these entities passes through this all consuming ball of fire, this pass over, result's in the soul and antimatter somehow continuing their relationship. The process brakes down each element. One understanding of space and time evolves into another (dimension)? The second also evolves, constituting life.

The one thing that made all this possible, is the process of braking down these first elements. The process has to be capable of braking down two individual energies, to the extent that both remain true and the relationship becomes refined. The balance takes on a new definition, in which time should help to reinforce.

This is the defining moment that provides the explanation of just how something like our universe came into existence. Exactly what happened? What was the catalyst that forced god to deal out this new phenomenon?
This, these entities had reached the end of their evolution, Their space and time, no longer holds any secrets. All boundaries of their existence had become defined, there was nothing left to pursue except each other, being immortal forced the issue!
At some point two of these entities, both equal in energy, yet, at extremes when it comes to good and evil. They had both achieved this level of understanding, at exactly the same time but for equal and opposite reason's. They manifested the same inspirational understanding as to what direction they would have to force evolution to play. God's Hand!
The Inspiration alone was the catalyst itself! What ever energies that needed to be created to produce this universe, that's up to you lot, to prove?


Quantum physics can now produce a twin subatomic particle. The strange relationship between these two particles baffle's science, in the fact they are totally equal but always remain opposite and are totally dependant on each other. A true plus and minus situation, (good/evil)?
Quantum maths is down to a string theory. The dynamics of which have a strange relationship with the environment they exist in. Could this be the balancing factor, these string's of life? The sub atomic world and the laws that apply can be reasoned with, you just have to keep an open mind!

If you build life around these dynamics, I don't think the model would fall to far short of where we are now?

Not bad for an opening statement?

Feel free to pass on your thought's to Philosopher1on1@aol.com

Thanx for your time andy, XXXXX
 

lucaspa

Legend
Oct 22, 2002
14,569
416
New York
✟39,809.00
Gender
Male
Faith
Methodist
Marital Status
Private
The OP is so wrong on so many levels. Beam me up, Scotty, there is no intelligent life in the OP.

Isn't this supposed to be science and not Proselytizing For Every Whacko Religious Idea? Just because the post has a few science terms in it doesn't make it about science.
 
Upvote 0

PhantomLlama

Prism Ranger
Feb 25, 2003
1,813
60
38
Birmingham
Visit site
✟24,758.00
Faith
Atheist
Karl - Liberal Backslider said:
Too painful to read all of it. Worst case of apostrophe abuse I've seen in ages.

Apostrophes mark missing letters or possessives. They do not mean "Oh! Here comes an 's'"
[grammarnazi]Except in the case of 'its' , as in 'belonging to it'[/grammarnazi]
 
Upvote 0

philosopher1on1

Active Member
Dec 8, 2003
34
3
56
Wrexham
✟169.00
Faith
Oneness
Chi_Cygni said:
Eeeek, I just lost 3 minutes I can never get back. Plus I got dumber for reading it.

Typical academic response. My punctuation may be in question.,!?' but the piece is not final and is open for more criticism, yes, I agree, let's not be picky here. If you must, please edit it so other's can make more sense than you originally did. Besides the obvious grammatical errors, there is a story somewhere in it, slow down the pace a little, like I say, I've had a go at a lot of subject's.

My communication skill's are a lot to be desired, too much time up this mountain. I am a christian, and am not here to offend, just to share.

I am nothing more than a philosopher.
 
Upvote 0

Taffsadar

Followerof Quincy
Jan 25, 2003
627
10
40
The land of the free, Sweden
Visit site
✟830.00
Faith
Atheist
philosopher1on1 said:
Typical academic response. My punctuation may be in question.,!?' but the piece is not final and is open for more criticism, yes, I agree, let's not be picky here. If you must, please edit it so other's can make more sense than you originally did. Besides the obvious grammatical errors, there is a story somewhere in it, slow down the pace a little, like I say, I've had a go at a lot of subject's.

My communication skill's are a lot to be desired, too much time up this mountain. I am a christian, and am not here to offend, just to share.

I am nothing more than a philosopher.
Well the intro to your message and the fact that you posted it in the wrong forum gave alot of people the impression that your just another thickheaded creationist that doesn't deserve anything else than to be made fun of. However I took the liberty to read the last part of it. Your alot more sensible than some of us seems to have thought you to be but I doubt that alot of us are intrested anyway since most of us doesn't believe in or care about Armageddon.
 
Upvote 0

philosopher1on1

Active Member
Dec 8, 2003
34
3
56
Wrexham
✟169.00
Faith
Oneness
Taffsadar said:
Well the intro to your message and the fact that you posted it in the wrong forum gave alot of people the impression that your just another thickheaded creationist that doesn't deserve anything else than to be made fun of. However I took the liberty to read the last part of it. Your alot more sensible than some of us seems to have thought you to be but I doubt that alot of us are intrested anyway since most of us doesn't believe in or care about Armageddon.


I have little idea of what Armageddon entails, Bad? My dilemma is that I am ignorant to the insight you may have through your religion. Blind and ignorant, I have done nothing more than relieve myself of all that make's a man a man in today's market's, sacrifice is a hard word to learn but easily justified in an understanding.

I realy appreciate any critisism, as long as it's from the heart.

Thanx again.
 
Upvote 0

philosopher1on1

Active Member
Dec 8, 2003
34
3
56
Wrexham
✟169.00
Faith
Oneness
ReUsAbLePhEoNiX said:
[url]http://www.christianforums.com/t75669&goto=newpost[/url]


what is the OP opinion on this early Revelations manuscript saying the number of the beast is 616?


A better understanding of what it is your questioning I feel is needed at this point.

Conspiricy is a horrible word, a word that always means that someone is on the out side.
I offer you this, you are are measured as a man, by the number ten. Moses gave you your measurement, 555 is perfect balance in all three levels that make up your existance, anything below keeps the balance in God's favour, 666 represents an imbalance inthe wrong direction, hence the beast.

My numerical understanding follow's this path,
1 = GOD
2 = Soul
3 = physical
4 = next dimension




This life we live is in the third dimention, the forth, mans achievement.
 
Upvote 0

ReUsAbLePhEoNiX

Liberated from SinComplex
Jun 24, 2003
2,524
80
53
Earth, MilkyWay Galaxy
Visit site
✟25,562.00
Faith
Taoist
philosopher1on1 said:
A better understanding of what it is your questioning I feel is needed at this point.

Conspiricy is a horrible word, a word that always means that someone is on the out side.
I offer you this, you are are measured as a man, by the number ten. Moses gave you your measurement, 555 is perfect balance in all three levels that make up your existance, anything below keeps the balance in God's favour, 666 represents an imbalance inthe wrong direction, hence the beast.

My numerical understanding follow's this path,
1 = GOD
2 = Soul
3 = physical
4 = next dimension




This life we live is in the third dimention, the forth, mans achievement.
huh?

You didnt address the fact that the earliest known manuscript of Revelations says the number of the beast is 616.
so what does 616 mean? That God is imbalanced in the wrong direction?
 
Upvote 0

Osiris

Übermensch
Mar 15, 2003
3,480
120
Visit site
✟4,264.00
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
Single
philosopher1on1 said:
A better understanding of what it is your questioning I feel is needed at this point.

Conspiricy is a horrible word, a word that always means that someone is on the out side.
I offer you this, you are are measured as a man, by the number ten. Moses gave you your measurement, 555 is perfect balance in all three levels that make up your existance, anything below keeps the balance in God's favour, 666 represents an imbalance inthe wrong direction, hence the beast.

My numerical understanding follow's this path,
1 = GOD
2 = Soul
3 = physical
4 = next dimension




This life we live is in the third dimention, the forth, mans achievement.
Isn't the 4th Dimension time? :)
 
Upvote 0

Taffsadar

Followerof Quincy
Jan 25, 2003
627
10
40
The land of the free, Sweden
Visit site
✟830.00
Faith
Atheist
philosopher1on1 said:
I have little idea of what Armageddon entails, Bad? My dilemma is that I am ignorant to the insight you may have through your religion. Blind and ignorant, I have done nothing more than relieve myself of all that make's a man a man in today's market's, sacrifice is a hard word to learn but easily justified in an understanding.

I realy appreciate any critisism, as long as it's from the heart.

Thanx again.
Armageddon=the stuff you read about in revelations.

Well I'm an atheist so I don't have any special insights...
 
Upvote 0
philosopher1on1 said:
A better understanding of what it is your questioning I feel is needed at this point.

Conspiricy is a horrible word, a word that always means that someone is on the out side[sic].
I offer you this, you are are measured as a man, by the number ten. Moses gave you your measurement, 555 is perfect balance in all three levels that make up your existance, anything below keeps the balance in God's favour, 666 represents an imbalance inthe wrong direction, hence the beast.

My numerical understanding follow's this path,
1 = GOD
2 = Soul
3 = physical
4 = next dimension




This life we live is in the third dimention, the forth[sic], mans achievement.
No actually the number seven was generally associated with perfection, and the number six is one off from seven which is imperfection... That is why Revelations is filled with seven this and seven that... If you don't believe me go down to your local Synagogue and ask them...
 
Upvote 0

philosopher1on1

Active Member
Dec 8, 2003
34
3
56
Wrexham
✟169.00
Faith
Oneness
greatcogitator said:
No actually the number seven was generally associated with perfection, and the number six is one off from seven which is imperfection... That is why Revelations is filled with seven this and seven that... If you don't believe me go down to your local Synagogue and ask them...

Speculation and misrepresentation. We are talking about nubers and relevance. Seven I think is in reference to sin ? All this is about measure and how we measure up to gods holy law. It would be nieve to believe that we are in reciept of all the facts. Two thousand years have past and spiritualy we have regressed as to the extent that the ten commandments, given to us a guide to keeping a balance, a measurement that would keep the soul in balance, is on a global scale, balanced in the favour of the beast, man has been measured.

I give you this, start with the number 10, the commandments, a scale. Then through that scale you put mankind rignt down the middle. Now the number 3 signifies man, living in his three dimentional existance, yet it has body, mind, soul, 3 represents man in many diferent ways but stick with balance, we will measure man on each individual scale, body, mind, soul.

On a global scale would you say that we respect our bodies to the extent that we have overcome famine, war, pestilence. Or do you feel it is worse than ever?

Again, globaly do you feel that knowledge is shared freely, open to everybody, equality, in all areas of the mind? Freedom to persue your thoughts?

The fact that to many souls are suffering that need not be! A soul is the reason for your being, the body is nothing more than a vesel that enables the soul to experience things first hand, within the realms of this dimension. On them lines would you say that souls feel enlightened or conned?

666, 616, 618, even 369, they all represent an imbalance, a lean towards some thing relavent. One man who is capable of a higher understanding through the world he lives, by accumilating knowledge and taking the opertunity to question without prejudice nor gain the facts that lay before him. His findings offer an end and a new begging. Before God he lay his findings, he stood alone, one man, he only represented mankind. Nither God nor Satan swayed him and it's this point that I am trying to make that he then had to make a choice. His understandings offer great rewards and upon his choice, his alone, would mankinds fate rest, either he can benefit or mankind can.

See what happens when you get me started, can do this all day,
 
Upvote 0