Do the two separate Adventist sections on CF reflect the reality within the Adventist Church?

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Oh I hear you!

There might be a time when the spirit tells me to leave. But that time is not yet.

Awesome testimony brother! Every local church needs one of you. I have been banned from all the churches in my area. The "leaders" ganged up on me and decided the truth does not belong in their church. We have a big church here in Paradise where there is not one traditional SDA. Here is our counsel to the larger churches: "In our largest churches the greatest evils exist, because these have had the greatest light. They have not a true knowledge of God, and of Jesus Christ whom he has sent. The leaven of unbelief is working, and unless these evils which bring the displeasure of God are corrected in its members, the whole church stands accountable for them. The deep movings of the Spirit of God are not with them; the glorious presence of the King of saints, and his power to cleanse from all moral defilement, are not manifest among them. Many come to the assembly as worshipers, like the door upon its hinges. They understand not the true application of the Scriptures, nor the power of God. They have eyes, but they see not; ears have they, but they hear not; they continue in their evil ways, yet regard themselves as the privileged, obedient people who are doers of the word. A carnal security and ease in Zion prevail. Peace, peace, is sounded in her borders, when God has not spoken peace. They have forfeited the terms of peace; there is reason for an alarm to be sounded in all “my holy mountain.” The sinners in Zion should be afraid, in a time when they do not expect it, sudden destruction will surely come upon all who are at ease." { RH December 23, 1890, Art. B, par. 10 } I believe this hold true for all local churches. The study about the sin of Achan is a great study and has much to do with the local churches today along with the denomination as a whole.

Too bad to hear that the head elder is a "she"????

 

[Sabbathkeeper&Wife]

It's hard to shoot fish in the barrel .....when you are standing in it. Divide and conquer, jesuit rule of thumb #1. Implode rather than explode. Then, after the internal structure is crumbled and the gates are opened from the inside.....

 

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Awesome testimony brother! Every local church needs one of you. I have been banned from all the churches in my area. The "leaders" ganged up on me and decided the truth does not belong in their church. We have a big church here in Paradise where there is not one traditional SDA. Here is our counsel to the larger churches: "In our largest churches the greatest evils exist, because these have had the greatest light. They have not a true knowledge of God, and of Jesus Christ whom he has sent. The leaven of unbelief is working, and unless these evils which bring the displeasure of God are corrected in its members, the whole church stands accountable for them. The deep movings of the Spirit of God are not with them; the glorious presence of the King of saints, and his power to cleanse from all moral defilement, are not manifest among them. Many come to the assembly as worshipers, like the door upon its hinges. They understand not the true application of the Scriptures, nor the power of God. They have eyes, but they see not; ears have they, but they hear not; they continue in their evil ways, yet regard themselves as the privileged, obedient people who are doers of the word. A carnal security and ease in Zion prevail. Peace, peace, is sounded in her borders, when God has not spoken peace. They have forfeited the terms of peace; there is reason for an alarm to be sounded in all “my holy mountain.” The sinners in Zion should be afraid, in a time when they do not expect it, sudden destruction will surely come upon all who are at ease." { RH December 23, 1890, Art. B, par. 10 } I believe this hold true for all local churches. The study about the sin of Achan is a great study and has much to do with the local churches today along with the denomination as a whole.

Too bad to hear that the head elder is a "she"????

That's exactly the case. Many public sins are tolerated and allowed in my local church. As a results the church has degenerated in all aspects.

I believe God has remnants in every local church. I have seen how the Devil devised to rid them.

In my local church's case, there is a divorced couple. In order for the woman to remarry a Catholic man, the pastor and the board made up infidelity charges against the man. The 'evidence' was never brought to light. The church was divided over this. Most of the traditional Adventists left for other churches in the area. No voice is left to oppose the agenda being pushed.

BTW, they can't ban you from going to any church unless they have an actual court order because it's a public place of worship.

 

[Sabbathkeeper&Wife]

elieve God has remnants in every local church. I have seen how the Devil devised to rid them

Silencing ANY opposition, just like they are doing with the anti-bully laws in public schools. It's only to get the next generation ready to shut up and accept anything. And people actually believe that human rights are their concern! PLEASE....

 

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That's exactly the case. Many public sins are tolerated and allowed in my local church. As a results the church has degenerated in all aspects.
I believe God has remnants in every local church. I have seen how the Devil devised to rid them.

I have been to local churches where the voice of reproof is gone. The bigger churches are a good example of this. Although in some of the bigger congregations the voice of reproof might just be so drowned out that it is not recognizable.

In my local church's case, there is a divorced couple. In order for the woman to remarry a Catholic man, the pastor and the board made up infidelity charges against the man. The 'evidence' was never brought to light. The church was divided over this. Most of the traditional Adventists left for other churches in the area. No voice is left to oppose the agenda being pushed.

I have seen this to and far too often the church stands on the wrong side of the issue, and it always seems to be the man's fault. I don't know if that was just a ploy to promote the women's lib movement in the denomination or if there were actually allegations against the men.

BTW, they can't ban you from going to any church unless they have an actual court order because it's a public place of worship.

I understand that but when the majority in the church bad mouth someone to the point of turning the traditionals into zombies, against those who are standing against error, it is time to leave and pray for those who actually are trying. I have had many come to me and tell me "we need more like you". I tell them "then why don't you stand"? But the leaders are the ones that are so opposed to truth that they stir up the majority and the usual ensues, which would be the group following the leader just because they are called elders and pastors, who cares about truth at that point. I have lived in this area for 26 years so all the congregations know me.

 

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I have lived in this area for 26 years so all the congregations know me.

And they want you gone because you disrupt Christian UNITY! Shame on you Elijah. Happy happy joy joy. I remember a story about some church leaders that went so far as to kill someone that went against the grain. How can someone actually think that they are right with God when they rebuke someone that exposes their sin? Deep down, they can't really believe in God and His promises can they ,or wouldnt the Spirit would bring them under conviction?.

 

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And they want you gone because you disrupt Christian UNITY! Shame on you Elijah. Happy happy joy joy. I remember a story about some church leaders that went so far as to kill someone that went against the grain. How can someone actually think that they are right with God when they rebuke someone that exposes their sin? Deep down, they can't really believe in God and His promises can they ,or wouldnt the Spirit would bring them under conviction?.

Back in the nineties Jan Marcussen and his "little preachers" the NSL books converted the whole apostolic denomination to the seventh day sabbath for a while. There was a huge rift in that denomination for a long time. I use to listen to Marcussen quite often, and read his newsletter. He said that in one of the apostolic churches some of the elders were beheaded in the basement of the church because they switched to the seventh day sabbath. How can anybody, or body of believers think they are doing Christian service as they murder anybody, no matter who they are, no matter how apostate they become, or even how satanic they are. Like Jesus said "let him that is without sin among you cast the first stone". BUT this attitude is being encouraged by the pope with all the moral legislation that is already being pushed and even passed already, like the new laws that "protect" business owners from the LGBT movement???? These laws are useless, the constitution already protects private business owners from that, but the ACLU has perverted and twisted the constitution, or actually have people so baffled by their lying threats that many actually believe things like, it is illegal for kids to bring their bible to school. That is not illegal. Schools just do not want the ACLU sueing them, but why don't the parents sue the schools? Christians just want to live peaceable lives but the left, along with their legal army of liewyers, the ACLU and others, take full advantage of that. Soon the right wing backlash will get so extreme that they will finally say "enough is enough". That will be the time when they finally rise up against the gay marriage. This issue will be the straw that breaks the camels back so to speak. This extreme push from the right to remove the gay marriage will happen soon. Trump and many other political figureheads are touting that the gay marriage will stay just to inflame the right against it. This is all the plan from the vatican. When the timing is right, probably Trumps second term, or even the jesuit Pence will cause the reversal of the gay marriage act, which will start a war. Trump might be assassinated, so many are crying like the babies they are, especially hollywank. They want Trump gone in a big way. From here on out it will all be about timing. Watch the laws that Trump imposes on US. These laws will seem right and good, but they are leading up to the final and worst law of all, the national SUNday law. The nominal churches are already eating up these moral laws that are being promoted and passed. The grass roots will beg for a SUNday law.

 

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I have been to local churches where the voice of reproof is gone. The bigger churches are a good example of this. Although in some of the bigger congregations the voice of reproof might just be so drowned out that it is not recognizable.



I have seen this to and far too often the church stands on the wrong side of the issue, and it always seems to be the man's fault. I don't know if that was just a ploy to promote the women's lib movement in the denomination or if there were actually allegations against the men.



I understand that but when the majority in the church bad mouth someone to the point of turning the traditionals into zombies, against those who are standing against error, it is time to leave and pray for those who actually are trying. I have had many come to me and tell me "we need more like you". I tell them "then why don't you stand"? But the leaders are the ones that are so opposed to truth that they stir up the majority and the usual ensues, which would be the group following the leader just because they are called elders and pastors, who cares about truth at that point. I have lived in this area for 26 years so all the congregations know me.

I'm a parent. I can't imagine what that is like. Only God knows the reason.

I've been discouraged a few times when things go wrong. I think we all need that great disappointment experience. I tried to walk away from it and forget everything I've learned. But there is no other worthwhile cause in the world. There is no true happiness except when I'm preaching and living our message. I just have to learn to trust in the Lord more during the times of darkness.

 

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I'm a parent. I can't imagine what that is like. Only God knows the reason.

I've been discouraged a few times when things go wrong. I think we all need that great disappointment experience. I tried to walk away from it and forget everything I've learned. But there is no other worthwhile cause in the world. There is no true happiness except when I'm preaching and living our message. I just have to learn to trust in the Lord more during the times of darkness.

A word of advice you do not want to outlive your children! I know it cannot be helped but we can shower them with love as long as we have them. I did turn my back completely on the Lord, especially after attending church for two more years after my son died just to have them treat me like I deserved it. My life has been one bad experience after another. My nick name growing up was Jeff jinx for years. The Lord has shown me that He has a work for me that I cannot explain. I have had many pastors and priests say the same thing. The pastor who baptized my ex and I told me that he, which he considered himself a "stuffed shirt", was not able to do the work the Lord has for me to do. He knew the limitations of the pulpit and this was over 30 years ago. I named my younger son after him. He also gave me almost all of his SOP library, which was one of the biggest blessings of my life.

Here are a couple verses that really thrilled my heart after realizing the a broken heart is a good thing. Psalms:34:18: "The LORD is nigh unto them that are of a broken heart; and saveth such as be of a contrite spirit." Psalms:51:17: "The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise." Only those who have really experienced this can receive a blessing from these. I have known some who have not experienced a broken heart, and they seem to be the more liberal ones who stand in the way of those who's heart is really into the work. there is absolutely nothing in the world that can match the love God has displayed for His children, especially on calvary.

 

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Back in the nineties Jan Marcussen and his "little preachers" the NSL books converted the whole apostolic denomination to the seventh day sabbath for a while. There was a huge rift in that denomination for a long time. I use to listen to Marcussen quite often, and read his newsletter. He said that in one of the apostolic churches some of the elders were beheaded in the basement of the church because they switched to the seventh day sabbath. How can anybody, or body of believers think they are doing Christian service as they murder anybody, no matter who they are, no matter how apostate they become, or even how satanic they are. Like Jesus said "let him that is without sin among you cast the first stone". BUT this attitude is being encouraged by the pope with all the moral legislation that is already being pushed and even passed already, like the new laws that "protect" business owners from the LGBT movement???? These laws are useless, the constitution already protects private business owners from that, but the ACLU has perverted and twisted the constitution, or actually have people so baffled by their lying threats that many actually believe things like, it is illegal for kids to bring their bible to school. That is not illegal. Schools just do not want the ACLU sueing them, but why don't the parents sue the schools? Christians just want to live peaceable lives but the left, along with their legal army of liewyers, the ACLU and others, take full advantage of that. Soon the right wing backlash will get so extreme that they will finally say "enough is enough". That will be the time when they finally rise up against the gay marriage. This issue will be the straw that breaks the camels back so to speak. This extreme push from the right to remove the gay marriage will happen soon. Trump and many other political figureheads are touting that the gay marriage will stay just to inflame the right against it. This is all the plan from the vatican. When the timing is right, probably Trumps second term, or even the jesuit Pence will cause the reversal of the gay marriage act, which will start a war. Trump might be assassinated, so many are crying like the babies they are, especially hollywank. They want Trump gone in a big way. From here on out it will all be about timing. Watch the laws that Trump imposes on US. These laws will seem right and good, but they are leading up to the final and worst law of all, the national SUNday law. The nominal churches are already eating up these moral laws that are being promoted and passed. The grass roots will beg for a SUNday law.

Yeah Jan Marcussen! Back when I just became a Christian (grew up an atheist) and was studying with a Baptist pastor. During that same week when I was supposed to become their church member, I read the NSL online and learned about the Sabbath truth and the mark of the beast. The rest as they say is history.

I get to meet the Jan Marcussen a few years ago when he visited my friend's church. I'd say he's meekest man I have ever known, truly lamb-like like the master. I drove him to airport. His winter jacket had holes in it.

My church really hates him having never met him in person. I used to put the 'little preachers' on our church book shelf in the main hall. They kept disappearing quickly. Turned out one of the elders was taking them down because the pastor said it was not approved by the church. The elder said he 'bad mouthed' the church and the local conference doesn't want his books out there.

I respected their wishes but told the pastor he works for the conference he has to do what the boss told him to do. He agrees with my statement. I said I work for the Lord I have to do what He tells me to do. I pass out the NSL myself.

I think Trump is too polarizing. Whatever he says or does, the liberals would violently oppose. I don't think he's the one to make NSL happen. Maybe Pence. But this is just speculation. I remember when Bush Jr was elected, the evangelicals were saying he was the one they had been waiting for a long time. He made/allowed 911 happen and passed 911 security act, patriot act ... into law to take away our liberty. Not the NSL man, but a pawn in this game to move the chains along.

 

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Yeah Jan Marcussen! Back when I just became a Christian (grew up an atheist) and was studying with a Baptist pastor. During that same week when I was supposed to become their church member, I read the NSL online and learned about the Sabbath truth and the mark of the beast. The rest as they say is history.

I met him too and noticed that he is probably the meekest man I have ever met. I have had run ins with most of the popular preachers and teachers face to face just standing for the truth. All one has to do is stand for truth while reflecting Jesus and most of the church gets ruffled, if not downright angry. The church hates everyone who sighs and cries for the abominations being done in it.

I think Trump is too polarizing. Whatever he says or does, the liberals would violently oppose. I don't think he's the one to make NSL happen. Maybe Pence. But this is just speculation. I remember when Bush Jr was elected, the evangelicals were saying he was the one they had been waiting for a long time. He made/allowed 911 happen and passed 911 security act, patriot act ... into law to take away our liberty. Not the NSL man, but a pawn in this game to move the chains along.

Trump might not be the one, but he sure is carrying out the wishes of the pope by not removing the gay marriage act, which he could easily do without much problem. The pope wants that law to remain until the right screams loud enough to stir up hatred and cause violence. The pope needs violence so he can step in and quite the storm, so to speak, and be the great "saviour". I have been saying this for decades, but I never saw Bush as the NSL guy because the immorality was not pushed far enough left until obama's second term. Trumps second term will be the "pull out all the stops" term, just like obama's second regime. Obama's first term was relatively peaceful, and uneventful except for obamacare, but his second term has done something that very few politicans do, keep a campaign promise. Obama said he was going to fundamentally transform the USA. He did alright, he changed it from Christian principled nation into an islamic terrorist training camp. They will come out of the wood work when the pope says to. As long as gun ownership is still legal and the second amendment is binding we probably won't see much violence, but I'm not to sure about that one.

 

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And you will see worse abominations than these....
I was looking at -Ez 38 & 39, and Gog ain't nothing but satan,and out pops 38:9. My mind went to Lamentations 1&2 and WOW. Rome just foamed up out of it. This cloud is the spirit that is now covering the whole earth, the demonic plague that's now running rampant. This ecumenical movement has flat opened some portals,yet the whole world is crying out for something controlled by the dragon! Anyway, back in 38, the "shaking" is mentioned and you all know it's been coming up a lot. It has begun......

 

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And you will see worse abominations than these....
I was looking at -Ez 38 & 39, and Gog ain't nothing but satan,and out pops 38:9. My mind went to Lamentations 1&2 and WOW. Rome just foamed up out of it. This cloud is the spirit that is now covering the whole earth, the demonic plague that's now running rampant. This ecumenical movement has flat opened some portals,yet the whole world is crying out for something controlled by the dragon! Anyway, back in 38, the "shaking" is mentioned and you all know it's been coming up a lot. It has begun......

I believe that the shaking, like the latter rain has begun, but only in trickles, or sprinkles like SOP tells us. it will come as dew and sprinkles and then the outpouring will be much more then we will expect, yet it will take much effort on our part to be part of it.

All the propaganda hype in the propaganda media machine about making laws to "protect" Christians from the LGBT attacks are just causing Americans to be programmed to accept moral legislation. Americans have so lost their knowledge of what the constitution actually stands for. We don't need any laws to "protect" us. The constitution covers all the attacks the propaganda media are creating as phantoms. Trump could remove the gay marriage act but it is in place for this exact purpose. The ACLU will sue schools over children bringing their bibles to school. This is a flat out illegal act from the ACLU, but they know that the schools will not lay out the expenditure to go to court, so they make "rules" against bringing bibles to school. It is perfectly legal to bring bibles to school, to set up Christmas decorations on public property, and to have the TEN commandments on the walls of our court houses. These are all attacks by the extreme left wing ACLU and their mega rich backers to cause Americans to not think twice about fighting against their illegal court actions against those who stand on the premise of "we reserved the right to refuse service to anyone"! The court actions against the bakeries, and bed and breakfast inns have been used as a precedence so the NWOites can pass the moral legislation needed to bring on the NSL. People have to accept the NSL. This will be totally grass roots! It is starting on a small level, and the LGBT is being used to force legislators to enact laws to protect the morals against the immorals! This is exactly what hitler did, and many dictators before him. And the sheeple sleep right through, and even promote their own demise, as usual!

 

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Yup! Just like when I post about the anti-bully thing they are pushing HARD! Just like having a resource officer (cop) in the elementary schools. They could CARE LESS about protecting a transgender kids rights. The bully laws are ONLY to teach kids early on NOT to voice opinions. Keep yer trap shut! Also, they are teaching these young people that the only way to get attention is to be a bigger freak than the Jones' kid. Do that enough and you'll even get your own bathroom. The boots on the ground with police at schools is what gets me. I would have never made it through highschool myself. Metal detectors. Do they think that will stop someone who really wanted to pull a stunt like that? Anyone could go into an elementary school and do the same thing with a brick. It's a facade. Lol. I remember business as being set up to serve whom you wish and remove anyone you didn't desire to be there too. I was thinking about something else, education-wise. There's a young black man who wrecked a school bus in Chattanooga. 5 or 6 kids were killed in the wreck. The man had no drugs or booze in his system (which means, not only he wasn't high but most likely doesn't indulge at all as the tests these days are super) and they aren't even done investigating. The media and police are crucifying this poor guy. They don't even know what caused it. It's getting to the point where it's a liability to do ANYTHING involving the general public. . That's ONE WAY also that the big corporations will crush smaller ones. With all the lawsuits on every independant mom n pop shop going, there going to have to have a small business"in case you get sued for something stupid" bond that will be too high to have. It's gonna make everyone work in a NcDonalds or a factory. Comply.......quietly. To be honest, studying the Alinski agenda, they want everything to crash so they have to declare a "publicly announced" martial law, not just the hidden one. Won't be any different ,except people will be scared. Whatd you see in Lamentations? There's so many things in the minor prophets that show as much as Daniel if you go down one more layer. They are FULL of warnings and info. At the rapid pace things are moving at, if the Lord tarries, even for a moment, it'll seen like forever because it won't be pleasant.