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Do Souls Have Gender?

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But I think in the next life, our bodies will be perfected from all brokenness, even the brokenness that comes from the separation of the feminine anima and the masculine animus in the original Adam.



I agree. My understanding is that in our physical form the male and female of each of us was separated in order to be male and female, so that we would/could "Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth." In the next phase, our spiritual life, we are again male and female in one complete being.
Matthew 19:4 And He answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that He which made them at the beginning made them male and female,


That can be read in two ways; first, that we are made both male and female in one and the separation in gender for purposes of our flesh life take place in the womb or second, that we have each always been either male or female. I think it is the first of the choices for I read, "Yes all babies in the womb start out as females then over time if it is to be a boy inside it naturally gets shots of testosterone (male hormone)."


An interesting verse that may give us a clue is:
Revelation 1:13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.
"Paps" is used only four times in the Bible and it is always female.
 
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Oh, are you a mod now?

I never have seen a bearded Borg, but better see than be one.

I just read the chapter in Grudem's Systematic Theology that deals with the soul and stuff like body-soul-spirit. Good stuff. But I will keep it to myself.

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I agree. My understanding is that in our physical form the male and female of each of us was separated in order to be male and female, so that we would/could "Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth." In the next phase, our spiritual life, we are again male and female in one complete being.
Matthew 19:4 And He answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that He which made them at the beginning made them male and female,


That can be read in two ways; first, that we are made both male and female in one and the separation in gender for purposes of our flesh life take place in the womb or second, that we have each always been either male or female. I think it is the first of the choices for I read, "Yes all babies in the womb start out as females then over time if it is to be a boy inside it naturally gets shots of testosterone (male hormone)."


An interesting verse that may give us a clue is:
Revelation 1:13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.
"Paps" is used only four times in the Bible and it is always female.
It is worthwhile sometimes, I think, to wonder just exactly what it means to be resurrected, and what it could possibly mean to be a perfected, glorified body.

Matthew 22
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At the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage but are like the angels in heaven.

We are all like Adam was, seeking out the bone of his bone and flesh of his flesh, seeing in the other a companion to make us a whole person.

Separation of Adam into man and woman was not initially for procreative purposes, but in order that Adam may see that a suitable mate for himself was not to be found among the beasts of the field, but in his own humanity.

As long as Adam and Eve recognized in each other their helpmate, there was full unity between them. They were indeed of one flesh, literally even. It is only when the voice of that most magnificent beast of the field was listened to that we became separate beings, separated from our original state of transpersonal unity. Adam pointed his finger and blamed Eve, and the unity was shattered in that act of blaming the other.

I am not sure exactly where I am going with this, but as the veils that separate us from each other are erased in higher angelic states of understanding, we may not so much lose our sense of gender, which is very much our sense of ourselves, but see in the other an essential part of who we are. Seeing ourselves as man or woman is identifying with our our lower nature, listening to the voice of the beast of the field, that hears only the voice of appetite and desire only. Seeing ourselves as man and woman, in effect erasing the boundaries between self and other, means that as God is One, so too is our nature in essence that of Oneness with each other as well.
 
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Oh, are you a mod now?

I never have seen a bearded Borg, but better see than be one.

I just read the chapter in Grudem's Systematic Theology that deals with the soul and stuff like body-soul-spirit. Good stuff. But I will keep it to myself.

Forgive me.

You can pick up a fake mod hat in the gift shop. Lots of styles to choose from.

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It is worthwhile sometimes, I think, to wonder just exactly what it means to be resurrected, and what it could possibly mean to be a perfected, glorified body.



I believe we are resurrected and in our perfected glorified body when He dwells in us and our old man/carnal nature is crucified. We are then of the "first resurrection." Our flesh will return to dust upon physical death but we, the true we, are with Him.

When was Jesus glorified for I believe it is also when we are glorifed?
John 13:26-27 Jesus answered, He it is, to whom I shall give a sop, when I have dipped it. And when He had dipped the sop, He gave it to Judas Iscariot, the son of Simon. And after the sop Satan entered into him. Then said Jesus unto him, That thou doest, do quickly.

13:30-32 He then having received the sop went immediately out: and it was night. Therefore, when he was gone out, Jesus said, Now is the Son of man glorified, and God is glorified in Him. If God be glorified in him, God shall also glorify him in Himself, and shall straightway glorify him.
The man of sin must be "gone out" of the body, out of our body, out of the body of Christ.



We are all like Adam was, seeking out the bone of his bone and flesh of his flesh, seeing in the other a companion to make us a whole person.


That is so true. And a happy marriage it is when that happens.



Separation of Adam into man and woman was not initially for procreative purposes, but in order that Adam may see that a suitable mate for himself was not to be found among the beasts of the field, but in his own humanity.


I see three types of man; all human but not all to be "flesh of my flesh."

Ecclesiastes 3:18 I said in mine heart concerning the estate of the sons of men, that God might manifest them, and that they might see that they themselves are beasts.

Jeremiah 31:27 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will sow the house of Israel and the house of Judah with the seed of man, and with the seed of beast.

There is Israel, both houses which includes Gentiles that believe, there is mankind and there are the beasts of the world. All human but not all Godly or righteous. As you have pointed out, the beasts allow themselves to be led by the most subtil of all beasts of the field/world.



As long as Adam and Eve recognized in each other their helpmate, there was full unity between them. They were indeed of one flesh, literally even. It is only when the voice of that most magnificent beast of the field was listened to that we became separate beings, separated from our original state of transpersonal unity. Adam pointed his finger and blamed Eve, and the unity was shattered in that act of blaming the other.



And it continues today. Perhaps because this is the time in which He has sown the seed of Israel with man and beast?



I am not sure exactly where I am going with this, but as the veils that separate us from each other are erased in higher angelic states of understanding, we may not so much lose our sense of gender, which is very much our sense of ourselves, but see in the other an essential part of who we are. Seeing ourselves as man or woman is identifying with our our lower nature, listening to the voice of the beast of the field, that hears only the voice of appetite and desire only. Seeing ourselves as man and woman, in effect erasing the boundaries between self and other, means that as God is One, so too is our nature in essence that of Oneness with each other as well.



There are times I wonder at the names chosen by posters. Your choice is a perfect fit. Thank you for your thoughts.
 
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