Do Souls Have Gender?

[Tomyris]

Hi!

Me again, going on about transgender stuff from a conservative viewpoint. My other thread seems to be going nowhere. I'm trying to develop some background theology in this area Just In Case. Maybe I want to live as a man (ugh)? Do I post like a guy? Now I am afraid of infection...I digress. But there is a lot of wash out there, mostly fit it seems for hogwashing and I am not sure much good for bathing. The conservative churches have had enough to deal with, it seems, with homosexuality. Transgender stuff is now knocking at the door, as it is more widely known, practiced and accepted. We need to deal with it.

If souls have no gender, are we free, so to speak, to flit back and forth between Male and Female like some demented bumblebee between the sunflower and the hive? Don't think so....If souls have gender, do they always line up with the genome, so that if you are genetically male you cannot have a female soul? And can you have, say, a male soul and a female brain? Or are souls sexless?

They didn't teach us this stuff in that class on forensic justification, that is for sure.

 

[x141]

The soul is feminine.

 

[Tomyris]

The soul is feminine.

Everyone's???

Source, please?

That puzzles me enormously.

 

[x141]

I'll have to write tomorrow ... but yes everyone's.

 

[Tomyris]

Thanks!!!

Are all guys transgendered???

WHAT IS GOING ON IN THE UNIVERSE?

Use short words and sentences. Not more than 42 words because I have a short attention sp- what was that?

 

[Cjwinnit]

The soul is feminine.

Chapter and verse?

 

[x141]

Thanks!!!

Are all guys transgendered???

WHAT IS GOING ON IN THE UNIVERSE?

Use short words and sentences. Not more than 42 words because I have a short attention sp- what was that?

Study ...

 

[x141]

Study ...

Just kidding ...

 

[x141]

Where does woman come out of, where does the church come out of, who is the churchs' identity, who is Jesus' identity, where is the church, where is Jesus ...

It's not about gender, it's about order in relationship to what you come out of. Consider it from the view of the commandment of our father and the law of our mother. What is the difference between the two ... they are different if they are spearate, the law of our mother becomes to us the law of sin and death. When they are one, the law of our mother becomes one with the law of our father, which is life.

One picture of the feminine ...

"Beautiful for situation, the joy of the whole earth, is mount Zion, on the sides of the north, the city of the great King."

And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

And the LORD will create upon every dwelling place of mount Zion, and upon her assemblies, a cloud and smoke by day, and the shining of a flaming fire by night: for upon all the glory shall be a defence.

But chose the tribe of Judah, the mount Zion which he loved. (fourth (# of the earth), son of Leah, Gen 4:11,12)

Without the understanding of the picture of the man and the woman and what they represent in relationship to the process of revealing a son there is no understanding of the birthing of this son in us. It all starts from one.

Sorry, I said it in as few words as possible ... this is a broad (no pundt intended) subject, encompassing the whole of the process of time.

 

[YeShallTread]

Hi!

Me again, going on about transgender stuff from a conservative viewpoint. My other thread seems to be going nowhere. I'm trying to develop some background theology in this area Just In Case. Maybe I want to live as a man (ugh)? Do I post like a guy? Now I am afraid of infection...I digress. But there is a lot of wash out there, mostly fit it seems for hogwashing and I am not sure much good for bathing. The conservative churches have had enough to deal with, it seems, with homosexuality. Transgender stuff is now knocking at the door, as it is more widely known, practiced and accepted. We need to deal with it.

If souls have no gender, are we free, so to speak, to flit back and forth between Male and Female like some demented bumblebee between the sunflower and the hive? Don't think so....If souls have gender, do they always line up with the genome, so that if you are genetically male you cannot have a female soul? And can you have, say, a male soul and a female brain? Or are souls sexless?

They didn't teach us this stuff in that class on forensic justification, that is for sure.

Genesis 1:26-27 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. So God created man in His own image, in the image of God created He him; male and female created He them.

Mankind was created male and female. One entity was both male and female.
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2:22-24 And the rib, which the Lord God had taken from man, made He a woman, and brought her unto the man. And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man. Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

The rib, which is properly translated as curve (perhaps being the DNA, helix curve), the woman (womb-man) was taken from man so then the earth could be populated.
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Matthew 19:4 And He answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,

Mark 12:25 For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.

The first humans were both male and female, made in the image of God. Once we physically die we are again "as the angels which are in heaven" for we are them and they are us. We are as we were before; one being that is both male and female.

Or so I believe the Scriptures teach.
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[OrthodoxyUSA]

Hi!

Me again, going on about transgender stuff from a conservative viewpoint. My other thread seems to be going nowhere. I'm trying to develop some background theology in this area Just In Case. Maybe I want to live as a man (ugh)? Do I post like a guy? Now I am afraid of infection...I digress. But there is a lot of wash out there, mostly fit it seems for hogwashing and I am not sure much good for bathing. The conservative churches have had enough to deal with, it seems, with homosexuality. Transgender stuff is now knocking at the door, as it is more widely known, practiced and accepted. We need to deal with it.

If souls have no gender, are we free, so to speak, to flit back and forth between Male and Female like some demented bumblebee between the sunflower and the hive? Don't think so....If souls have gender, do they always line up with the genome, so that if you are genetically male you cannot have a female soul? And can you have, say, a male soul and a female brain? Or are souls sexless?

They didn't teach us this stuff in that class on forensic justification, that is for sure.

Humanity is three parts, soul, mind and body.

'We' develop them. They have a 'proper' order. A created order.

We may find ourselves asking if one part can be male or female while the other parts remain 'otherwise'.

The 'body' is the only portion that has this character of gender because it is the only physical part.

As far as the soul having gender, we may as well ask if The Holy Spirit has gender. The answer is no... because there are no physical attributes of the spirit.

The mind is genderless also.

Our problems with being able to identify ourselves properly may reside with the fact that we do not 'lead' with our souls. We attempt to 'override' the soul with our minds or even our bodies.

Placing these in the wrong order is how we got to the fallen state in the first place.

As for our gender... we are what we are. There are femanine males... there are masculine girls. We don't fit into Ken and Barbie's world.

We should lead with our souls and not let our minds and body's fall prey to the sins of this life.

I cannot live as a girl... because it goes against the body that I was given and that is sin. I must make my body, and my mind, submit to my soul. The body, nor the mind, is in charge.

Lead with the soul.

Forgive me...

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

Mark 12:25 For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.

The first humans were both male and female, made in the image of God. Once we physically die we are again "as the angels which are in heaven" for we are them and they are us. We are as we were before; one being that is both male and female.

Or so I believe the Scriptures teach.
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I see where you are going with that, but keep in mind that Christ God was raised from the dead in physical body as we will be also raised in ours... perfected, but still the same. Scars included.

The reason we are not given in marriage in heaven is not related to lack of gender in our risen bodies.

Christ God in heaven still maintains HIS specific gender. So shall we, as we are promised to be raised from the dead.

Forgive me...

 

[YeShallTread]

Humanity is three parts, soul, mind and body.

'We' develop them. They have a 'proper' order. A created order.

We may find ourselves asking if one part can be male or female while the other parts remain 'otherwise'.

The 'body' is the only portion that has this character of gender because it is the only physical part.

As far as the soul having gender, we may as well ask if The Holy Spirit has gender. The answer is no... because there are no physical attributes of the spirit.

The mind is genderless also.

Our problems with being able to identify ourselves properly may reside with the fact that we do not 'lead' with our souls. We attempt to 'override' the soul with our minds or even our bodies.

Placing these in the wrong order is how we got to the fallen state in the first place.

As for our gender... we are what we are. There are femanine males... there are masculine girls. We don't fit into Ken and Barbie's world.

We should lead with our souls and not let our minds and body's fall prey to the sins of this life.

I cannot live as a girl... because it goes against the body that I was given and that is sin. I must make my body, and my mind, submit to my soul. The body, nor the mind, is in charge.

Lead with the soul.

Forgive me...

That is well stated and I am in full agreement except for "the mind is genderless also" for while we are in our flesh bodies we follow feminine or masculine lines of thinking.

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

That is well stated and I am in full agreement except for "the mind is genderless also" for while we are in our flesh bodies we follow feminine or masculine lines of thinking.

The point being that the mind is moldable.

We do it, it's ours and it can be quite hard to control.

By the time we realize that we should be molding minds in a certain way, we have already been molding it for several years, and yes, as you stated, the mind will follow.

Forgive me...

 

[x141]

Just some views from different angles ... Being that the man is both masculine and feminine, the land (can be pictured or seen) as the masculine or as the outter court. The city is the woman (or Eve in the fallen state) within the land. The daughters of Zion and Jerusalem are the thousands to tens of thousands to millions of spirits of truths that make a city run cohesively. A city is the queen (in the harlot stage) not the Shulamite. The fool doesn't have the good sense to go to the city. But Abraham dwelt in tents he was looking for a city not made with hands.

Gabriel went to Mary and told her that her seed would inherit the throne of His father David and would rule over the house of Jacob (not Abraham) for ever. Abraham never left the wilderness, he refused to enter into the land, just like his father. Terah left Ur of the Chaldeans to go to Canaan but stopped in Haran. Haran means mountaineer or parched. So we can see by the definitions of the name of Haran that on his journey he thirsted and didn't continue on but built a mountain unto his concept of God. Terah never entered the land even though he went without being instructed. He died never entering into the land. Abraham died never entering into the land he simple married Keturah instead who gave birth to Midian who was a continual thorn in the flesh in the side (out of his side) of Israel (firstborn).

The soul is what births the truth and makes it flesh, so to speak, just as the woman/Heavenly Jerusalem births us ... in picture. The truths of this relationship are all around us. The woman is the door into the earth.

Side note (that gets more complex) ... Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob always went back to their kindred of where God called them out of to get a wife for their son.

 

[x141]

Humanity is three parts, soul, mind and body.

I assume by this you believe the soul is the spirit ?

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

I assume by this you believe the soul is the spirit ?

No. Are you familiar with the noetic activity called 'nous', or the breath of life?

This 'activity' is the spirit.

Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man [of] the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Forgive me...

 

[x141]

No. Are you familiar with the noetic activity called 'nous', or the breath of life?

This 'activity' is the spirit.



Forgive me...

interesting ...

 

[x141]

No. Are you familiar with the noetic activity called 'nous', or the breath of life?

This 'activity' is the spirit.



Forgive me...

(ot to derail the thread) ... In relationship to this, what does Christ mean to you, and also as it relates to/within the confine's of the topic of this thread ...

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

(ot to derail the thread) ... In relationship to this, what does Christ mean to you, and also as it relates to/within the confine's of the topic of this thread ...

That's a pretty big suitcase to unpack.

If I were to be as simple as possible:

Christ God is both the 'creator' and 'healer' of mankind.

Perhaps a more specific question is on your mind?

Forgive me...