Dick Barton
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It never was as Jews were forbidden to eat human flesh and drink human blood.
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All of the original apostolic Churches, without exception, share your beliefs about the Eucharist, and have held that belief since the beginning. Jesus said "this is my body" and "this is my blood". St. Paul specifically identifies the Eucharist as "the Lord's body".
If it is not the body and blood of Christ when did it cease to be?
I believe his message is clear. If he wanted us to believe it was symbolic I believe he would of told us so.
If you say that Jesus was full of fruit juice, no problem.
26 Now as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and after blessing it broke it and gave it to the disciples, and said, “Take, eat; this is my body.” 27 And he took a cup, and when he had given thanks he gave it to them, saying, “Drink of it, all of you, 28 for this is my blood of the[c] covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins. 29 I tell you I will not drink again of this fruit of the vine until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom.”
The Eucharist as the body and blood of Christ is not an interpretation of scripture. No one found a bible one day and made a decision about it. It was taught by the apostles before the new testament was written.
When the Lord ate the passover meal with His disciples, was He eating Himself?
If he gave his flesh to eat they would have refused it as the Law forbade the eating of human flesh.Cannibalism necessarily harms the one being eaten. Christ suffers no loss by giving us His flesh. Cannibalism involves consuming the dead flesh of the one being eaten. Christ gives us His living flesh.
Ergo, it isn't cannibalism.
But he promised to drink the wine in the kingdom. Does he drink his own blood in the kingdom?
It never was as Jews were forbidden to eat human flesh and drink human blood.
So what are you saying? Listing verses means nothing.1Co 10:16 The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ?
1Co 10:17 For we being many are one bread, and one body: for we are all partakers of that one bread.
1Co 10:18 Behold Israel after the flesh: are not they which eat of the sacrifices partakers of the altar?
I believe that the bread and wine are actually the body and blood of Christ. I don't see any shame in it. Some will go as far to say we are bringing shame to God for thinking it is his body and blood.
Jesus did not say it was symbolic. Are they adding to the word?
Yes, I think so, but out of ignorance.
Oh, so God himself was constrained by the laws and customs of the Jews? That's interesting to read, considering that the New Testament shows him violating those rules time after time.It was metaphorical as Jews were forbidden to eat human flesh or drink human blood.
Oh, so God himself was constrained by the laws and customs of the Jews? That's interesting to read, considering that the New Testament shows him violating those rules time after time.
And yes, the Apostles were surprised at Jesus' instructions regarding his body and blood, but that doesn't mean he couldn't have meant what he meant and did.
I'm embarrassed to say it, but the meaning of that escaped me.
A "door" is the means by which someone enters. It is utter foolishness to limit it to a piece of hardware.Jesus said, "I am the door." (John 10:7)
A "door" is the means by which someone enters. It is utter foolishness to limit it to a piece of hardware.
Jesus is the entry way to salvation.
No, Jesus is literally the entry way to salvation. He is, literally, the door, just not the silly understanding of wood and hinges that you put forth.Precisely. Thus, we are in agreement that Jesus did not literally mean what He said when He said He is the door (or the vine, for that matter).
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