Do Not Add To God's Word

[Hank77]

Scripture supporting this is in the books of Maccabbees. Scripture more directly related to Mary in particular is in 4th Esdras.

Which Catholic bible includes 4th Esdras?

 

[Papias]

Which Catholic bible includes 4th Esdras?

Well, first and foremost the Vulgate, which was the most common Christian Bible for nearly 1000 years - though there wasn't just one "Vulgate", but many different versions with different books. Others too. But, first, some names need to be clarified.

The naming of "4 Esdras" is a mess - different Bibles name it differently. It's sometimes called Latin Esdras" or "2 Esdras", or "the apocalypse of Ezra" or other names, and even with those any books of any of these names can have parts or other parts of these and other books.

The most common Bibles to have it are older Catholic Bibles (like some of the many "Vulgates"), the Gregorian Orthodox Bible, the Slavonic Bible, Armenian, Syrian, and the Orthodox Tewahedo (where it is called "Sutu'el"). Some of these are listed in the row for "2 Esdras" in the table here:

Biblical canon - Wikipedia

Yes, confusing - but there it is.

Best-

Papias

 

[pescador]

I read the message you linked to, and ironically, I believe the person who wrote it appears to be adding to the word of God...

The person appears to be saying we can do all of the following signs if we believe:

Mark 16:17-18 NKJV "And these signs will follow those who believe: In My name they will cast out demons; they will speak with new tongues; they will take up serpents; and if they drink anything deadly, it will by no means hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover."

I believe Jesus' words. But I also believe in keeping things in context. It is important to note that these signs only happen according to God's will. It's God's choice to use whomever He desires to do these things, not ours. And just because you cannot do all of these things, it doesn't mean you are not a believer or that you don't have the Holy Spirit in you, as some falsely say.

It's not about what we want to do, but about what God wills.

The Scripture that you quoted is from a portion of Mark's gospel whose authenticity is highly disputed. Since it doesn't appear at all in the earliest texts I wouldn't use it as an example of what Jesus spoke.

 

[Papias]

Since it doesn't appear at all in the earliest texts I wouldn't use it as an example of what Jesus spoke.

And especially not as an example before telling people not to add to scripture, when this scripture got there because people added it to scripture!

(which is what you meant, I'm pretty sure)

 

[Korean-American Christian]

That is incorrect, see post #18.

Thank you.

I stand corrected.

 

[hhodgson]

Mark 16:17-18 NKJV "And these signs will follow those who believe: In My name they will cast out demons; they will speak with new tongues; they will take up serpents; and if they drink anything deadly, it will by no means hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover."

I believe Jesus' words. But I also believe in keeping things in context. It is important to note that these signs only happen according to God's will. It's God's choice to use whomever He desires to do these things, not ours. And just because you cannot do all of these things, it doesn't mean you are not a believer or that you don't have the Holy Spirit in you, as some falsely say.

It's not about what we want to do, but about what God wills.

God's Word is His will... and Word/Faith believes, excepts, and teach the entire passage in (Mark 16:17-18). The context IS... "And these signs will follow those who believe" (whosoever)!

Please be advised that if you are not a Word of Faith member of this forum... You are not allowed to teach here.

Thank You!

A Word/Faith Member...

 

[hhodgson]

Mercy, where did you guys come from? Just a reminder that this is the Word/Faith forum. If you are not a member then you are not allowed to teach here. Fellowshipping with Word/Faith members is fine but to jump in here discussing and teaching non-Wof beliefs is not acceptable. Please abide by our forum rules that is stickied above the main page.

Thank You!

A Word/Faith Member...

 

[woobadooba]

The context IS... "And these signs will follow those who believe" (whosoever)!

I disagree with your understanding of the text. But don't worry, I won't bother you anymore.

 

[hhodgson]

I disagree with your understanding of the text. But don't worry, I won't bother you anymore.

Actually, all of the responses (from you guys) to the original poster (OP).... are not worrisome or a bother at all. That isn't it. Every forum on CF have Christian Forum Rules or (Christian Site Rules), and Congregational Rules to abide by, and each individual forum has its own Statement of Faith core of beliefs, (SOF).... and each forum's Statement of Purpose, (SOP) may have some differences in their general rules and purpose.

The "Word of Faith" forum is set up with Congregational Rules in that any teaching must be in line with the faith movement or denomination's teaching; participants who teach here must hold to the beliefs of this forum, those who don't are welcome to fellowship with us... but otherwise cannot promote a teaching outside of the movement or denomination.

We all share the CF Forum Vision with a discipleship mission of evangelism and witnessing the Love of Jesus Christ to a sick and dying world. We all share and desire to contribute in a positive and loving manner so that Christian Forums will display the gracious love of God in every area of this forum.

I hope this is more helpful with better clarification.

 

[now faith]

Amen

 

[SavedByGrace3]

Help me out... which one to use. Just a partial list here.
I guess only one is correct.
If I choose the wrong one... o my o my.

American Standard Version
American King James Version
Amplified Bible
An American Translation
ArtScroll Tanakh
An American Translation
New Jubilees Version
Berkeley Version
Bible in English
The Bible in Living English
Bishops' Bible
Catholic Public Domain Version
Children's King James Version
Christian Community Bible, English version
Christian Standard Bible
Clear Word Bible
Common English Bible
Complete Jewish Bible
Contemporary English Version
Concordant Literal Version
Coverdale Bible
Dabhar Translation
Darby Bible
Divine Name King James Bibl
Douay–Rheims Bible
Douay-Rheims Bible (Challoner Revision)
EasyEnglish Bible
Easy-to-Read Version
Emphasized Bible
English Jubilee 2000 Bible
English Standard Version
Ferrar Fenton Bible
Geneva Bible
God's Word
Good News Bible
Great Bible
HalleluYah Scriptures
Hebraic Roots Version
Holman Christian Standard Bible
The Inclusive Bible
International Standard Version
Jerusalem Bible
Jewish Publication Society of America Version Tanakh
Judaica Press Tanakh (Old
Julia Smith Parker Translation
King James 2000 Version
King James Easy Reading Version
King James Version
King James II Version
Knox's Translation of the Vulgate
Lamsa Bible
A Literal Translation of the Bible
Leeser Bible, Tanakh (Old Testament)
The Living Bible
The Living Torah and The Living Nach. Tanakh (Old Testament)
Matthew's Bible
The Message
Modern English Version
Modern King James Version
Modern Language Bible
Moffatt, New Translation
Murdock Translation of the Western Peshitto
Names of God Bible
New American Bible
New American Bible Revised Edition
New American Standard Bible
New Century Version
New English Bible
New English Translation
New International Reader's Version
New International Version Inclusive Language Edition
New International Version
New Jerusalem Bible
New Jewish Publication Society of America Version. Tanakh
New King James Version
New Life Version
New Living Translation
New Revised Standard Version
New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures
The Orthodox Study Bible
Quaker Bible
Recovery Version of the Bible
Revised Version
Revised Standard Version
Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition
Revised English Bible
The Scriptures
Simple English Bible
The Beloved and I
The Story Bible
Taverner's Bible
Thomson's Translation
Today's New International Version
Third Millennium Bible
Tree of Life Version
Tyndale Bible
Updated King James Version
The Voice Bible
A Voice In The Wilderness Holy Scriptures
Webster's Revision
Westminster Version of Sacred Scripture
The Work of God's Children Illustrated Bible
World English Bible
Wycliffe's Bible
Young's Literal Translation
The Orthodox Jewish Bible
Tree of Life Bible
New Messianic Version Website

 

[now faith]

Help me out... which one to use. Just a partial list here.
I guess only one is correct.
If I choose the wrong one... o my o my.

American Standard Version
American King James Version
Amplified Bible
An American Translation
ArtScroll Tanakh
An American Translation
New Jubilees Version
Berkeley Version
Bible in English
The Bible in Living English
Bishops' Bible
Catholic Public Domain Version
Children's King James Version
Christian Community Bible, English version
Christian Standard Bible
Clear Word Bible
Common English Bible
Complete Jewish Bible
Contemporary English Version
Concordant Literal Version
Coverdale Bible
Dabhar Translation
Darby Bible
Divine Name King James Bibl
Douay–Rheims Bible
Douay-Rheims Bible (Challoner Revision)
EasyEnglish Bible
Easy-to-Read Version
Emphasized Bible
English Jubilee 2000 Bible
English Standard Version
Ferrar Fenton Bible
Geneva Bible
God's Word
Good News Bible
Great Bible
HalleluYah Scriptures
Hebraic Roots Version
Holman Christian Standard Bible
The Inclusive Bible
International Standard Version
Jerusalem Bible
Jewish Publication Society of America Version Tanakh
Judaica Press Tanakh (Old
Julia Smith Parker Translation
King James 2000 Version
King James Easy Reading Version
King James Version
King James II Version
Knox's Translation of the Vulgate
Lamsa Bible
A Literal Translation of the Bible
Leeser Bible, Tanakh (Old Testament)
The Living Bible
The Living Torah and The Living Nach. Tanakh (Old Testament)
Matthew's Bible
The Message
Modern English Version
Modern King James Version
Modern Language Bible
Moffatt, New Translation
Murdock Translation of the Western Peshitto
Names of God Bible
New American Bible
New American Bible Revised Edition
New American Standard Bible
New Century Version
New English Bible
New English Translation
New International Reader's Version
New International Version Inclusive Language Edition
New International Version
New Jerusalem Bible
New Jewish Publication Society of America Version. Tanakh
New King James Version
New Life Version
New Living Translation
New Revised Standard Version
New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures
The Orthodox Study Bible
Quaker Bible
Recovery Version of the Bible
Revised Version
Revised Standard Version
Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition
Revised English Bible
The Scriptures
Simple English Bible
The Beloved and I
The Story Bible
Taverner's Bible
Thomson's Translation
Today's New International Version
Third Millennium Bible
Tree of Life Version
Tyndale Bible
Updated King James Version
The Voice Bible
A Voice In The Wilderness Holy Scriptures
Webster's Revision
Westminster Version of Sacred Scripture
The Work of God's Children Illustrated Bible
World English Bible
Wycliffe's Bible
Young's Literal Translation
The Orthodox Jewish Bible
Tree of Life Bible
New Messianic Version Website

Exactly,so we must look for the origin of the translation.
Egypt= critical text.
Antioch = Texus Recptus

Egypt had no role in Bible Translation that was not corrupt.