Do Non-Messianic Jews Go To Hell?

Bulldog · Mar 5, 2004

Warrior Monk said:
Murder is different from killing. I have made no attempt to justify murder, only killing. God specifically intsructed Moses and others to kill on several occassions.

But do honestly think that going out and killing innocent Muslims is not murder?
When God commanded peole in the OT to kill it was LAWFUL. How is what you are proposing lawful?

Warrior Monk · Mar 5, 2004

Bulldog said:
Warrior Monk, you are the one that started this thread. Did you not expect to get a "no" answer?

Yes I started the thread because I am looking for answers and I am seeking the Truth. I don't want to be part of a religion that says it's ok to **** my Jewish friends to hell for eternity but it's not ok to carpet bomb Muslim terrorists.

Breetai · Mar 5, 2004

Report my posts if you want.

Murder is different from killing. I have made no attempt to justify murder, only killing.

Are you trolling, or do you really believe something so idiotic? Well, I guess it's all in the eye of the beholder. Adolf Hitler had a similar attitude. Killing someone because they believe something different is called murder. Do you not think that all of those Jews who were 'killed' in concentration camps were murdered?

Bulldog · Mar 5, 2004

Warrior Monk said:
Yes I started the thread because I am looking for answers and I am seeking the Truth. I don't want to be part of a religion that says it's ok to **** my Jewish friends to hell for eternity but it's not ok to carpet bomb Muslim terrorists.

Why do you ask a yes or no question and then accuse the "no" answers of being discriminatory(sp) and racist?

Warrior Monk · Mar 5, 2004

Breetai said:
Killing someone because they believe something different is called murder.

Is that somehow worse than damning people to lakes of fire and sulfur for eternity because they believe something different?

Do you not think that all of those Jews who were 'killed' in concentration camps were murdered?

I do believe they were murdered. However I do not believe they went to hell

Bulldog · Mar 5, 2004

Warrior Monk said:
I do believe they were murdered. However I do not believe they went to hell

Warrior Monk, you said you asked this question with the intention of finding the truth. But you seem to have already taken a position, and taken it pretty strongly.

Breetai · Mar 5, 2004

I don't want to be part of a religion that says it's ok to **** my Jewish friends to hell for eternity but it's not ok to carpet bomb terrorists

If you're thinking like that, then you don't really know what Christianity teaches. We are to love everyone; hoping that they will come to know Jesus as the Messiah. That is the only way to the Father. To kill someone who does not know Jesus is to deny them the chance to know him. It's better that you have a millstone tied around your neck and be thrown into the sea then to kill people who don't know Jesus as the Messiah.

How old are you?

Bulldog · Mar 5, 2004

Warrior Monk said:
Is that somehow worse than damning people to lakes of fire and sulfur for eternity because they believe something different?

Do you have the authority of God? People are ****** to Hell because God cannot have sin in His prescence.

Breetai · Mar 5, 2004

Come on Bulldog, let's just let him be...

He seems to be just looking for a fight. :troll:

Bulldog · Mar 5, 2004

Christianity teaches that we love all. Just because we believe they can't get to Heaven because of there pure rejection of God Son as Saviour, (sp?) does not mean we do not love them.

Warrior Monk · Mar 5, 2004

Bulldog said:
Christianity teaches that we love all. Just because we believe they can't get to Heaven because of there pure rejection of God Son as Saviour, (sp?) does not mean we do not love them.

If damning people to lakes of fire and sulfur for eternity is a loving act, then why can't carpet bombing people so their children don't have to go to hell also be considerd a loving act. By the way, I'm taking this idea straight from Pat Robertson -- he's the founder of the Christian Coalition and the 700 Club.

Bulldog · Mar 5, 2004

Breetai said:
Come on Bulldog, let's just let him be...

He seems to be just looking for a fight. :troll:

Okay.

Mr. Mephisto · Mar 5, 2004

By the way, I'm taking this idea straight from Pat Robertson -- he's the founder of the Christian Coalition and the 700 Club.

"It is interesting, that termites don't build things, and the great builders of our nation almost to a man have been Christians, because Christians have the desire to build something. He is motivated by love of man and God, so he builds. The people who have come into (our) institutions (today) are primarily termites. They are into destroying institutions that have been built by Christians, whether it is universities, governments, our own traditions, that we have.... The termites are in charge now, and that is not the way it ought to be, and the time has arrived for a godly fumigation." - Pat Robertson, 1986

Pat Robertson does not epitomize Christian values; Jesus would never employ such violent language.

You mentioned that the Old Testament depicts a God who seems to have instituted a draconian government. This perception is true. His laws were rigorous and harsh at the beginning because this laid the groundwork for the Messiah's coming. "...the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ," Gal. 3:24. God has progressively revealed His will over time. Christ came and embodied new ideals; He has instructed us to love our neighbors as ourselves, to do unto others as we would have them do unto us. It is not His will that we should injure, maim, or kill anyone.

As a side note, this doctrine of the relentless torment of the wicked ad infinitum is not incontrovertible. Perhaps we can discuss this some time.

countrymousenc · Mar 5, 2004

I like the "Don't feed the trolls" guy; how would I go about putting that into a post? (I'm not terribly tech-savvy.)

Warrior Monk · Mar 5, 2004

Mr. Mephisto said:
"It is interesting, that termites don't build things, and the great builders of our nation almost to a man have been Christians, because Christians have the desire to build something. He is motivated by love of man and God, so he builds. The people who have come into (our) institutions (today) are primarily termites. They are into destroying institutions that have been built by Christians, whether it is universities, governments, our own traditions, that we have.... The termites are in charge now, and that is not the way it ought to be, and the time has arrived for a godly fumigation." - Pat Robertson, 1986

Pat Robertson does not epitomize Christian values

For me he does.

Jesus would never employ such violent language.

But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea. (Mat 18:6)

"So he made a whip out of cords, and drove all from the temple area, both sheep and cattle; he scattered the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables." (John 2:15)

And I suppose damning God-fearing Jews to lakes of fire and sulfur for eternity is also a non-violent act.

Bulldog · Mar 5, 2004

countrymousenc said:
I like the "Don't feed the trolls" guy; how would I go about putting that into a post? (I'm not terribly tech-savvy.)

:troll except that you put the : at the end.

Lotar · Mar 5, 2004

Pat Robertson
Who elected that guy King of Christiandom?

There is no guarantee that the unbaptized children of unbelievers will go to heaven. In fact, scripture implies otherwise. So I say it is exceedingly immoral to do what you are saying.

JVAC · Mar 5, 2004

I think the whole point is to have faith in God the Savior!! Whether you call him Adonai, YHWH, El Sheddai, Eloi, Jesus, Holy Spirit, what not. You don't have to call God Jesus, but Savior is an aspect of God. God has three aspects, Creator, Savior, and Sanctifier; and I believe the Jews refer to God as all three, that infact makes them trinitarian.

Wether you have to say the name of Jesus, I don't know, I think God has his own plan for his chosen people. Yet, they do refer to God as Savior.

O'Factry · Mar 5, 2004

Warrior Monk said:
Murder is different from killing. I have made no attempt to justify murder, only killing. God specifically intsructed Moses and others to kill on several occassions. Not only killing is justified, but Moses instructed the Jews to commit outright genocide against the Midianites and Amaleks.

In the OT salvation was based upon ethnic lineage. The other tribes had no chance of salvation regarless of how long they may have lived. They did, however, pose a threat to corrupt the geneology and society if they remained alive. Today, salvation is a matter of faith. We do not know who may be saved tomorrow, so we cannot kill them today. Do not pull up the tares.

And on topic; Jesus is the only way to salvation.

Breetai · Mar 6, 2004

John 3:16-18
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only Son.

1 Corinthians 9:16-27
...when I preach the gospel, I cannot boast, for I am compelled to preach. Woe to me if I do not preach the gospel! If I preach voluntarily, I have a reward; if not voluntarily, I am simply discharging the trust committed to me. What then is my reward? Just this: that in preaching the gospel I may offer it free of charge, and so not make use of my rights in preaching it.
Though I am free and belong to no man, I make myself a slave to everyone, to win as many as possible. To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews. To those under the law I became like one under the law (though I myself am not under the law), so as to win those under the law. To those not having the law I became like one not having the law (though I am not free from God's law but am under Christ's law), so as to win those not having the law. To the weak I became weak, to win the weak. I have become all things to all men so that by all possible means I might save some. I do all this for the sake of the gospel, that I may share in its blessings.
Do you not know that in a race all the runners run, but only one gets the prize? Run in such a way as to get the prize.
Everyone who competes in the games goes into strict training. They do it to get a crown that will not last; but we do it to get a crown that will last forever. Therefore I do not run like a man running aimlessly; I do not fight like a man beating the air. No, I beat my body and make it my slave so that after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified for the prize.

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