Do Most Protestants Disagree with the Notion of Free Will?

[bottomofsandal]

I don't believe that anyone here DID argue such. What I explained was that Adam and Eve willfully bought into Satan's temptations and so committed sin. The consequences of that were many, but loss of freewill was included.

My apologies. I simultaneously attempted to affirm your post while disagreeing with #233 from Lee. Lee said freewill was not lost in Genesis 3.

 

[Albion]

My apologies. I simultaneously attempted to affirm your post while disagreeing with #233 from Lee. Lee said freewill was not lost in Genesis 3.

Thanks. I thought that was the case, but around here you never can be certain how what you write is going to be taken.

 

[Lee52]

Thanks. I thought that was the case, but around here you never can be certain how what you write is going to be taken.

Tell ya what guys; there are a plethora of websites that explain Wesleyan doctrine-Christian theology. You can go there to learn anything else you want to know about free will and John Wesley's teachings.

I am not interested in continuing this discussion as it fails to glorify my Savior and LORD Jesus.

Bye,
Lee52

 

[GraceSeeker]

Another bully-comedian who won't respond to a post, but prefers one-liners laced with ...

First and foremost, let your yes be yes and your no be no...this diatribe is a fluffy marshmallow that (again) fails to address freewill or choice. Are you modifying your post or just uncertain as to what you believe ? Getting a straightforward answer here is nearly impossible.

Read my initial post (#199) in this thread. I said there as straight forward as I can say it my response to the OP.


As for my beliefs and the answer to your questions, I've made exactly three posts on this thread. If you are really seeking to understand my point of view, it is there. It is even as clear as Yes and No, though I believe your understanding of Jesus use of that phrase misses his point. As for why I have told my stories as I have, I will let Jesus speak to that point as well: “The knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of God has been given to you, but to others I speak in parables, so that, ‘though seeing, they may not see; though hearing, they may not understand' " (Luke 8:10).


For those who have eyes to see, what you seek is there. All others, well, it wouldn't matter what I would write, if they don't get it from the stories I've told, they won't get it from anything else either. This conversation isn't just a couple of hundred posts old, it is hundreds of years old, and shows no signs of being resolved any time soon.

As for the rest of the discussion, I find the bickering produced between Calvinists and Arminians a meaningless debate. Oh, I remember when it used to get my blood hot. And I regret those days. Sure orthodoxy is nice, but everything we read about Jesus in the gospels convinces me he valued orthopraxis more.

 

[stan1953]

Nobody seems to have an answer for Pilemon 1:14;

But I didn’t want to do anything without your consent, so that your good deed might not be out of obligation, but of your own free will.

The Greek word here for 'freewill' is ἑκούσιος / hekousios and is 'voluntary'. The etymology of this is the root word ἑκών / hekōn which connotes the following;
1) unforced, voluntary, willing
2) of one's own will
3) of one's own accord

Now to me, if Paul the Apostle, acknowledges this very basic component of our human nature as part of our saved nature, then WHY would anyone try to disprove it?
It is very clearly in God's word. It is supported by other verses, maybe not so explicit, and there are NO verses that emphatically state that we do NOT have out own free will. That is proper exegesis my friends. If you are able to use proper exegetical hermeneutics to prove otherwise, I am all ears.

 

[Albion]

Tell ya what guys; there are a plethora of websites that explain Wesleyan doctrine-Christian theology. You can go there to learn anything else you want to know about free will and John Wesley's teachings.

OK, but I haven't mentioned Wesley once.

I am not interested in continuing this discussion as it fails to glorify my Savior and LORD Jesus.

Join the club. We're tired of being prodded, taunted, and dared to do it ourselves when we came to that same conclusion quite awhile back.

 

[stan1953]

Join the club. We're tired of being prodded, taunted, and dared to do it ourselves when we came to that same conclusion quite awhile back.

Albion YOU came into this thread about a year after Lee did. YOU started by responding to a Calvin issue ( post #66 ) instead of the thread issue, Freewill. BOS came in on post #56 with quite a humble fascade, which was quickly lost by post # 58! Lee came in on post #6 and addressed the OP.
I came in on post #72, and directly addressed the OP.
Since that time it has been a very socratic and dialectic debate with the pro side asking most of the Q's and the con side answering most of them. Why the pro side feels it doesn't need to answer, or why it doesn't answer, only reflects to most open minded observers (3756 views) that you have no real answers, but are adept at deflecting and obfuscating the truth.
I also feel the need to leave this particular thread, and will do so now.
May God's Word be true and ALL men be liars.