Do Messianic Jews believe in...

[Hoonbaba]

Sola scriptura or sola fide?

-Jason

 

[MissytheButterfly]

Some do.. some don't.. LOL! Depends on who you ask and the context of which you are asking it.

Missy

 

[Hoonbaba]

Doh! I was hoping for a general answer...guess there really isn't a general answer =P

By the way, Missy, I was wondering: Do you know of any good Aramaic translations of the NT? I'm particularly interested in purchasing one but I don't know which is good.

Also, is www.nazarene.net representative of what you believe?

One more question: Do you have David Stern's CJB and NT commentary?? And are they any good?

-Jason

 

[MissytheButterfly]

LOL, I was just fooling with you Hoonbaba. I always tend to be the one giving answers. I do know these answers but I was hoping someone else of the Messianic faith would come in and answer them..

Yes, I do own the CJB, but not the commentary. Well I guess it would be perspective on how good they are or aren't. Frankly, I enjoy reading the CJB on occassion but I do not rely on it solely. I rather rely on what is considered a more in depth Jewish Bible. Some of the Messianic faith consider the CJB to be only a Christianized bible that uses some Hebrew language.. I don't know if I would go that far in labeling it that.. but I do think it's not as accurate as some of the more advance translations that I own such as the Orthodox Brit Chadasha, the JPS, the Stone Edition of the Tanach.. among others.

Nazarene.net is not an exact dipiction of what I personally believe no.. but some would say the Nazarenes is where the Messianic faith stems from..

I would suggest you trying out the Orthodox Jewish Brit Chadasha (New Testament) you can get it from Borders bookstore and I believe Barnes & Noble.

Anyway, if no one else answers your questions.. than I will. I just want to give others a chance since it seems I am always the one to reply here.

Missy

 

[Hoonbaba]

Uhm...I'm confused about the Orthodox Jewish Brit Chadasha. Is it written for Orthodox Jews??

Or does it have to do with Eastern Orthodoxy and some connection with Judaism??

Any help would be appreciated

-Jason

 

[Hoonbaba]

Also, is it some Hebrew translation? Wasn't the New Testament written in Greek and possibly Aramaic?

-Jason

 

[MissytheButterfly]

2nd April 2003 at 01:44 AM Hoonbaba said this in Post #5

Uhm...I'm confused about the Orthodox Jewish Brit Chadasha. Is it written for Orthodox Jews??

Or does it have to do with Eastern Orthodoxy and some connection with Judaism??

Any help would be appreciated

-Jason

It's written for anyone that wants to use it. But I would hardly imagine an Orthodox Jew using it since the Orthodox Jewish bible is the Tanach (Old Testament) and that is what they adhere to. The Orthodox Jewish Brit Chadasha is just considered a New Testament that uses Jewish culture and language. It's not looked at favorably in the Orthodox Jewish community at all.

No, it has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with Eastern Orthodoxy at all..

Yes, as far as I know the NT was originally written in Greek. I have read and heard it suggested that certain books of the NT were actually orginially written in Aramaic. The Orthodox Jewish Brit Chadasha is a New Testament that restores the original Jewish culture, teachings, and life of the original Jewish followers of the Messiah.

A good Aramaic NT would be a matter of opinion.... This website may interest you though: http://www.aramaicnt.org/

Missy

 

[MissytheButterfly]

Oh you may want to check out "The Aramaic New Covenant" by Herb Jahn and Bill Cousins. Also "The New Covenant Commonly Called the New Testament: Pe****ta Aramaic text with a Hebrew Translation" by Aramaic Scriptures Research Society in Israel .

 

[Hoonbaba]

Missy, I just noticed why you have the four astericks

LOL

I'm fully aware of the Aramaic text you mentioned , but I never realized the 4 *'s =P

God bless!

-Jason

 

[simchat_torah]

heh... p e s h i t a

 

[MissytheButterfly]

LOL! Hey it's not my fault.. I just copied it from www.borders.com..

LOL! Sorry peeps if you thought I was saying something bad.. but that's how they spelled it on Borders.com

Missy

 

[Hoonbaba]

One more thing:  Do Messianics worship on Sunday or Saturday?

-Jason

 

[simchat_torah]

From Friday sundown to Saturday sundown is the Sabbath.

shalom,
yafet.

 

[MissytheButterfly]

Amen Simchat.. Amen

but you mean it begins at Sunset on Friday and ends Saturday sundown.. LOL!

But now that I think of it.. what the heck is the difference between sunset and sundown ? aren't they the same ?

Missy

 

[Talmid HaYarok]

On the sabbath whenever possible. If its not possible I might go worship communally at a Christian congregation on sunday. I still do my best to keep the Sabbath even if I do worship on sundays though.

 

[simchat_torah]

heh, I dunno what the precise difference is between sundown and sunset... I suppose that sunset is when it's particularly on the horizon... hmmmm

I think I'll go to dictionary.com and find out... lol

 

[MissytheButterfly]

Sim, this is what I got from Judiasm 101:

" Shabbat, like all Jewish days, begins at sunset, because in the story of creation in Genesis Ch. 1, you will notice that it says, "And there was evening, and there was morning, one day." From this, we infer that a day begins with evening, that is, sunset. For the precise time when shabbat begins in your area, consult the list of candle lighting times provided by the Orthodox Union or any Jewish calendar.

Shabbat candles are lit and a blessing is recited no later than eighteen minutes before sunset. This ritual, performed by the woman of the house, officially marks the beginning of Shabbat. Two candles are lit, representing the two commandments: zachor (remember) and shamor (observe), discussed below.

The family then attends a brief evening service (45 minutes - that's brief by Jewish standards - see Jewish Liturgy).

After services, the family comes home for a festive, leisurely dinner. Before dinner, the man of the house recites Kiddush, a prayer over wine sanctifying Shabbat. The usual prayer for eating bread is recited over two loaves of challah, a sweet, eggy bread shaped in a braid. The family then eats dinner. Although there are no specific requirements or customs regarding what to eat, meals are generally stewed or slow cooked items, because of the prohibition against cooking during Shabbat. (Things that are mostly cooked before Shabbat and then reheated or kept warm are OK).

After dinner, the birkat ha-mazon (grace after meals) is recited. Although this is done every day, on Shabbat, it is done in a leisurely manner with many upbeat tunes.

By the time all of this is completed, it may be 9PM or later. The family has an hour or two to talk or study Torah, and then go to sleep."

That website is here: http://www.jewfaq.org/shabbat.htm

 

[MissytheButterfly]

Opps here is when it says it ends.. " Shabbat ends at nightfall, when three stars are visible, approximately 40 minutes after sunset." So it's sunset to sunset ? what the heck ? Lord.. it's not like we don't know.. semantics is a trip..

LOL!

Missy

 

[MissytheButterfly]

Sunset: 1. The descent of the sun below the horizon; also, the time when the sun sets; evening.

and Sundown: the time in the evening at which the sun begins to fall below the horizon

That sounds the same to me.. got it from dictionary.com..

So we were both right.. now you gotta love that! WHOOOOOOOO!

Missy