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[GreekWeasel]

Here's an interesting article about the real Exorcist....

http://www.strangemag.com/exorcistpage1.html

Not exactly accurate. The boy was from Cottage City, Maryland, not Mt. Rainier. And the exorcisms (there were several) took place in St. Louis. No exorcism of this boy was done outside of St. Louis.

The Weasel is fascinated at this stuff, however.

GW

 

[Zoomer]

Can you say "Benny Hinn"?

Don't get me started... I have had my posts deleted because I said that Benny Hinn is a heretic and the type of wolf that Jesus warned us about. Ever read Christianity in Crisis by Hank Hanegraaff? I don't always agree with him but he hit the nail on the head with that book.

 

[Zoomer]

Not exactly accurate. The boy was from Cottage City, Maryland, not Mt. Rainier. And the exorcisms (there were several) took place in St. Louis. No exorcism of this boy was done outside of St. Louis.

The Weasel is fascinated at this stuff, however.

If you read the entire article, it's five pages you will see that the author agrees that he was from Cottage City, he also thinks that he may have tracked the guy down. Doesn't name his name, though.

 

[Flipper]

The final series of exocisms were done by Jesuit priests from St. Louis University at the old Alexian Brothers Hospital. But the first exocisms were done on the Concordia Seminary campus. The first pastor to see the boy was his own Lutheran pastor in Maryland.
The boy's mother and grandmotrher were from St. Louis so they went there in an attempt to get away from whatever was troubling the boy, but it followed.

GW

The building it was done in, is still there and part of the hospital (called St. Alexius now - ironically, my mom had some tests done there a month ago), but the door to the room where it happened is locked 24/7. People still claim that weird things happen if you go into the room.

 

[filosofer]

The building it was done in, is still there and part of the hospital (called St. Alexius now - ironically, my mom had some tests done there a month ago), but the door to the room where it happened is locked 24/7. People still claim that weird things happen if you go into the room.

I think there is some confusion over this. I think the wing in which the actual exorcism took place was destroyed about 20-25 years agos, sometime after I was at seminary.

 

[Flipper]

I think there is some confusion over this. I think the wing in which the actual exorcism took place was destroyed about 20-25 years agos, sometime after I was at seminary.

You might be right, but I thought I read recently that the building is still there. It's been added on to numerous times, but I don't think any of those buildings are torn down. At least the original Alexian Bros. Hospital building is still there. Maybe the exorcism occurred in a back building?

 

[MORTANIUS]

Y'all do know that "The Exorcist" was based on a true story involving a 14 year old Lutheran boy from Maryland in 1947? The first series of exorcisms on him were performed at the Chaple of the Holy Apostles in the base of Luther Tower on the St. Louis seminary campus.

*The Weasel shivers*


GW

I've heard Lutheran, I've also heard from my Orthodox buddies that its based on an Orthodox Christian Exorcism.

I'm really not sure because no one has produced concrete evidence. In any case, I do believe that the Devil continues to afflict us and to try and make us give up on our Lord through various means (including demonic possession)

Of course, its our Lord that allows the Devil to try, as we know that the Devil could not test JOB without God allowing it.

Even the Devil cannot do these things if its not to serve Gods purpose for our understanding.

 

[GreekWeasel]

I think there is some confusion over this. I think the wing in which the actual exorcism took place was destroyed about 20-25 years agos, sometime after I was at seminary.

My understanding is that it was razed in 1975 or so for a building expansion. The room was sealed off all those years.

*The Weasel still quivers*


GW

 

[GreekWeasel]

I've heard Lutheran, I've also heard from my Orthodox buddies that its based on an Orthodox Christian Exorcism.

Not Orthodox, but Jesuits.

("You've not experienced Shakespear until you've read him in the original Klingon." - Chancellor Gorkon, Klingon High Council)


GW

 

[Ryupower]

Ah-ha....thanks guys.

Do you also think the miracles are still active (some here obviously do... but I'm asking about the general lutheran view. )


This was quite informational though, thanks!

 

[ByzantineDixie]

I would think the general Lutheran view is that God still does miracles today. I know I have seen them time and time again in my life...but maybe this selection from a CTCR document on the charismatic movement puts things into perspective for you regarding the Lutheran position?

God can choose to perform such mighty works in and through His church today. Lutherans affirm the supernatural and the possibility that God can and does intervene in the course of natural things. However, Scripture warns repeatedly against the type of miraclemindedness which places undue emphasis on the performance of supernatural deeds rather than on the proclamation of the Gospel: “Jesus therefore said to him, ‘Unless you see signs and wonders you will not believe’” (John 4:48). Jesus warns the church against being deceived by signs and wonders which will appear in the last days to lead Christians astray: “For false Christs and false prophets will arise and show great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect” (Matt. 24:24). Scripture warns the world against demanding miracles from the church to prove its faith: “‘An evil and adulterous generation seeks for a sign, but no sign shall be given to it except the sign of Jonah.’ So he left them and departed” (Matt. 16:4). The Bible states that even such signs as casting out devils, prophesying, and other mighty works, though they be done in Jesus’ name, do not in themselves guarantee that they are God-pleasing: “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you evildoers’”


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[RedneckAnglican]

Not Orthodox, but Jesuits.

("You've not experienced Shakespear until you've read him in the original Klingon." - Chancellor Gorkon, Klingon High Council)


GW

"Pah Pah NeQ' Pah'"

 

[SPALATIN]

"Pah Pah NeQ' Pah'"

"I hate the Klingons, they killed my son." Captain Kirk of the Federation Starship Enterprise A.

 

[GreekWeasel]

"I hate the Klingons, they killed my son." Captain Kirk of the Federation Starship Enterprise A.

The Weasel believes the quote to be, "I've never trusted Klingons and I never will. I can never forgive them for the death of my boy."


GW

 

[BigNorsk]

16 vaD joH'a' vaj loved the qo', vetlh ghaH nobta' Daj wa' je neH puqloD, vetlh 'Iv believes Daq ghaH should ghobe' perish, 'ach ghaj eternal yIn.

Marv

 

[RedneckAnglican]

"Dochvam HIja'bej"

the closest thing to "this is most certainly true"...