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Do lies make us deserving of death and hell? And why or why not?
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<blockquote data-quote="AAichael" data-source="post: 75407101" data-attributes="member: 430827"><p>Thanks all of you for starting this one. First, I really think we should all look at the nature of society being imposed upon all of us and determine where the breakdown in truthful and integritous behavior is rooted. Do you expect a crucifix to carry out the functions of a tree honestly? I expect that the crucifix will deviate the duties of the tree continuously and probably even condemn the whole forest. This is how it is for us in society, in nature (where God's will is evident to me), the things and beings do not waiver from how they feel like doing things and follow their fundamental feelings, senses and purposes, this is how God navigates everything except us humans and some of the unfortunate service / farming animals. I believe there are a lot of snares in society as well and if one were truly concerned for the society as a whole not to lie, then an environment that facilitates honest living should be the focus. We are not a society like this and for anyone to be honest, requires a major overhaul of the life and practices where people are truly professing their souls profession and are able to stay in communion with truth and each other. </p><p></p><p>Currently, it is immoral for any God to punish people for any reason when that very God has not created an environment that justifies the "right" behavior. Being selfless and doing the bidding of others at disregard to one's own feelings and motives, does not create an expectation that the person being lead by alternate motives generated from the society will somehow act and behave in the integrity and communion of their own good will and conscience. We are horribly pulled apart from social influences and from awkward social stations and professions, we try to be of good morality and I witness this of people constantly, the people are very emotional and life driven, requiring a much better exasperation of their souls purpose than what they constantly experience, where they are always deprived of a truly satiating state of experiential being and with this, a deceptive state is relatively continuous, we then just see people try to endure this deceptive state and they do a good job because it is hard and they have been made guilty for the guilt of others on top of it (can the head of a body be true and honest, when it's body is not true and not honest?). How conflicted are we constitutively because we should be, I think people along with their right to be considered innocent, should be proven the same, if we cared and put more effort into the well being of the people, their souls purpose and profession, if we spent more effort making sure everyone has the really necessary things (especially in the soul mate department and profession department), then we would have a place where we could expect people not to be dishonest but we don't. People have to follow and do so much for reasons other than any self-willed purpose and as such I can't honestly think they should be honest when they are dragged through life by external influences and motives, even purposely deceived themselves. People are expected to maintain their being not to their own conscious satisfaction but to the satisfaction of others and even worse, people are horribly abused and because of their truly good nature, they can be lead into deception, it doesn't help when people try to ensnare others into being put on the spot and caught in deceptions, it is why people lie, because of the unlawful use of people's governing institutions to put non-favorable outcomes like criminal convictions and deceptions above having crime free states of honest communion with what we can best come to determine is an honest life with and for God as we best understand such.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="AAichael, post: 75407101, member: 430827"] Thanks all of you for starting this one. First, I really think we should all look at the nature of society being imposed upon all of us and determine where the breakdown in truthful and integritous behavior is rooted. Do you expect a crucifix to carry out the functions of a tree honestly? I expect that the crucifix will deviate the duties of the tree continuously and probably even condemn the whole forest. This is how it is for us in society, in nature (where God's will is evident to me), the things and beings do not waiver from how they feel like doing things and follow their fundamental feelings, senses and purposes, this is how God navigates everything except us humans and some of the unfortunate service / farming animals. I believe there are a lot of snares in society as well and if one were truly concerned for the society as a whole not to lie, then an environment that facilitates honest living should be the focus. We are not a society like this and for anyone to be honest, requires a major overhaul of the life and practices where people are truly professing their souls profession and are able to stay in communion with truth and each other. Currently, it is immoral for any God to punish people for any reason when that very God has not created an environment that justifies the "right" behavior. Being selfless and doing the bidding of others at disregard to one's own feelings and motives, does not create an expectation that the person being lead by alternate motives generated from the society will somehow act and behave in the integrity and communion of their own good will and conscience. We are horribly pulled apart from social influences and from awkward social stations and professions, we try to be of good morality and I witness this of people constantly, the people are very emotional and life driven, requiring a much better exasperation of their souls purpose than what they constantly experience, where they are always deprived of a truly satiating state of experiential being and with this, a deceptive state is relatively continuous, we then just see people try to endure this deceptive state and they do a good job because it is hard and they have been made guilty for the guilt of others on top of it (can the head of a body be true and honest, when it's body is not true and not honest?). How conflicted are we constitutively because we should be, I think people along with their right to be considered innocent, should be proven the same, if we cared and put more effort into the well being of the people, their souls purpose and profession, if we spent more effort making sure everyone has the really necessary things (especially in the soul mate department and profession department), then we would have a place where we could expect people not to be dishonest but we don't. People have to follow and do so much for reasons other than any self-willed purpose and as such I can't honestly think they should be honest when they are dragged through life by external influences and motives, even purposely deceived themselves. People are expected to maintain their being not to their own conscious satisfaction but to the satisfaction of others and even worse, people are horribly abused and because of their truly good nature, they can be lead into deception, it doesn't help when people try to ensnare others into being put on the spot and caught in deceptions, it is why people lie, because of the unlawful use of people's governing institutions to put non-favorable outcomes like criminal convictions and deceptions above having crime free states of honest communion with what we can best come to determine is an honest life with and for God as we best understand such. [/QUOTE]
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