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Do lies make us deserving of death and hell? And why or why not?
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<blockquote data-quote="com7fy8" data-source="post: 75275096" data-attributes="member: 331347"><p>I would say not all are trying to get you to suppose the same thing.</p><p></p><p>But, in any case, I now do not believe any human, and not even Satan, deserves hell. But I do believe it exists, as a place prepared for Satan, and humans can end there > because Jesus speaks of <span style="font-family: 'Georgia'"><span style="font-size: 18px"><span style="color: #ff00ff">"everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels"</span></span></span> and how there will be humans going there, too > Matthew 25:41. And my personal learning now has to do with Hebrews 12:29 which says > </p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Georgia'"><span style="font-size: 18px"><span style="color: #ff00ff">"For our God is a consuming fire."</span></span></span> (Hebrews 12:29)</p><p></p><p>A thing is, though, how fire can have different effects, depending on the character of what is in the fire.</p><p></p><p>Rubber will burn with a very nasty smell. </p><p></p><p>Chicken can become nicer once it is no longer raw . . . finger-licking good and with a nice smell <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>So, I consider how hell can't bother anyone unless their selfish nature makes them able to suffer the torment. So, if this is somewhat correct, hell is more of a consequence, than a punishment. And we see how evil people can be quite tormented about Jesus . . . even now. After they die, they could be much more tormented by His presence, if they were to stay with Him. So, hell could be a way of keeping them from suffering so much, though there is torment there, too > because their selfish nature will still be in them, there, with reaped <span style="font-family: 'Georgia'"><span style="font-size: 18px"><span style="color: #ff0000">"corruption"</span></span></span> > Galatians 6:7-8 > so they can suffer even more deep trouble. </p><p></p><p>And may be you know about Romans 1:18-32. It says those people received <span style="font-family: 'Georgia'"><span style="font-size: 18px"><span style="color: #ff0000">"in themselves the penalty of their error which was due." </span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Georgia'"><span style="font-size: 18px"><span style="color: #ff0000"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Georgia'"><span style="font-size: 18px"><span style="color: #000000">So, from this I see how God is not about making us suffer, but our own sin stuff within us has our automatic punishment of how it degrades us and keeps us weak so we can keep on deeply suffering. And God's word says this penalty is </span><span style="color: #ff0000">"due"</span><span style="color: #000000"> . . . which I take to mean "deserved". We do deserve the trouble we get for ourselves, within ourselves, then, because of our selfish stuff, I would say this could mean. </span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Georgia'"><span style="font-size: 18px"><span style="color: #000000"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Georgia'"><span style="font-size: 18px"><span style="color: #000000">But, when I sense that nasty reacting stuff starting in me, this can help me to see I am getting away from God and His peace; so I can stop, right away, and trust God to correct me and tune me so I am sweetly sharing with Him in His peace, then see what He has me doing in His peace. And this peace is almighty to guard us from any and all mental and emotional chaos (Philippians 4:6-7) > this is better than we can deserve, by the way <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /> But God wants us to have His own best.</span></span></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="com7fy8, post: 75275096, member: 331347"] I would say not all are trying to get you to suppose the same thing. But, in any case, I now do not believe any human, and not even Satan, deserves hell. But I do believe it exists, as a place prepared for Satan, and humans can end there > because Jesus speaks of [FONT=Georgia][SIZE=5][COLOR=#ff00ff]"everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels"[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] and how there will be humans going there, too > Matthew 25:41. And my personal learning now has to do with Hebrews 12:29 which says > [FONT=Georgia][SIZE=5][COLOR=#ff00ff]"For our God is a consuming fire."[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] (Hebrews 12:29) A thing is, though, how fire can have different effects, depending on the character of what is in the fire. Rubber will burn with a very nasty smell. Chicken can become nicer once it is no longer raw . . . finger-licking good and with a nice smell :) So, I consider how hell can't bother anyone unless their selfish nature makes them able to suffer the torment. So, if this is somewhat correct, hell is more of a consequence, than a punishment. And we see how evil people can be quite tormented about Jesus . . . even now. After they die, they could be much more tormented by His presence, if they were to stay with Him. So, hell could be a way of keeping them from suffering so much, though there is torment there, too > because their selfish nature will still be in them, there, with reaped [FONT=Georgia][SIZE=5][COLOR=#ff0000]"corruption"[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] > Galatians 6:7-8 > so they can suffer even more deep trouble. And may be you know about Romans 1:18-32. It says those people received [FONT=Georgia][SIZE=5][COLOR=#ff0000]"in themselves the penalty of their error which was due." [/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000]So, from this I see how God is not about making us suffer, but our own sin stuff within us has our automatic punishment of how it degrades us and keeps us weak so we can keep on deeply suffering. And God's word says this penalty is [/COLOR][COLOR=#ff0000]"due"[/COLOR][COLOR=#000000] . . . which I take to mean "deserved". We do deserve the trouble we get for ourselves, within ourselves, then, because of our selfish stuff, I would say this could mean. But, when I sense that nasty reacting stuff starting in me, this can help me to see I am getting away from God and His peace; so I can stop, right away, and trust God to correct me and tune me so I am sweetly sharing with Him in His peace, then see what He has me doing in His peace. And this peace is almighty to guard us from any and all mental and emotional chaos (Philippians 4:6-7) > this is better than we can deserve, by the way :) But God wants us to have His own best.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [/QUOTE]
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