Do Liberals Believe No One Is Above The Law.

[jmldn2]

There is certainly a strong level of tribalism in liberal and conservative circles. I would hope that both groups would free themselves from this and adhere to the rule of law.

Granted, we see Trump handing out pardons right and right. Being the president seems to be a rather profitable business, so long as one acts "officially."

This is rich (about Trump) considering our nation was almost at the precipice of destruction for 4 years being led by a sick man who actually was not really leading. No one is above the law is a truth, not tribalism.

 

[jmldn2]

Actually the nation is undergoing judicial activism, coup. The "other" party could not beat us at the ballot box so they now are using liberal judges to try and stop MAGA. There is a Deep State, judicial coup happening before our very eyes.

 

[sanderabeer]

This is rich (about Trump) considering our nation was almost at the precipice of destruction for 4 years being led by a sick man who actually was not really leading. No one is above the law is a truth, not tribalism.

Rule of law is not tribalism.

Ignoring rule of law and/or only paying lip service to it is often wrapped up in tribalism. We see this among both liberals and conservatives.

 

[sanderabeer]

Actually the nation is undergoing judicial activism, coup. The "other" party could not beat us at the ballot box so they now are using liberal judges to try and stop MAGA. There is a Deep State, judicial coup happening before our very eyes.

MAGA is the deep state.

 

[Postvieww]

Insider proof that Biden was not in control. This scandal is just beginning to be exposed.

 

[Postvieww]

MAGA is the deep state.

False!

 

[sanderabeer]

Insider proof that Biden was not in control. This scandal is just beginning to be exposed.

I like conspiracy theories.

 

[sanderabeer]

False!

Let's check.

In the United States, a political conspiracy theory posits the existence of a deep state within the US federal government, primarily composed of members of the FBI and CIA. Proponents argue that a clandestine network of conspirators within the leadership of the financial and industrial sectors exercise power alongside or within the elected government.

Source: Deep state conspiracy theory in the United States - Wikipedia

Who runs the FBI? The CIA? What have we been witnessing with the financial and industrial sectors in connection with Trump?

Nope, MAGA is the Deep State.

 

[Postvieww]

Let's check.



Source: Deep state conspiracy theory in the United States - Wikipedia

Who runs the FBI? The CIA? What have we been witnessing with the financial and industrial sectors in connection with Trump?

Nope, MAGA is the Deep State.

It is laughable that anyone would site Wikipedia for a credible source. A good number of those mythical deep staters are now out of a job.

 

[Postvieww]

The Judge already ruled on this.

Not all judges are through with this.

And he remains a felon.

Like I said this is not over. This political prosecution and conviction will be overturned. So much was done wrong in this case by a rogue politically biased judge and DA. It is blatant hypocrisy to watch liberals support this travesty of justice all the while claiming support for the constitution and rule of law.

 

[sanderabeer]

It is laughable that anyone would site Wikipedia for a credible source.

Do you understand why I cited Wikipedia? There are subtle clues in my post. What might be my reasoning? And when you understand my reasoning, you'll be at the start of a journey for understanding why your response is nonstarter.

A good number of those mythical deep staters are now out of a job.

That's immaterial to the fact that MAGA is the deep state.

 

[sanderabeer]

Not all judges are through with this.

Yes, there are Trump loyalists among the judges.

Like I said this is not over. This political prosecution and conviction will be overturned. So much was done wrong in this case by a rogue politically biased judge and DA. It is blatant hypocrisy to watch liberals support this travesty of justice all the while claiming support for the constitution and rule of law.

It won't be overturned. And MAGA will continue to cry about it.

 

[Postvieww]

Do you understand why I cited Wikipedia? There are subtle clues in my post. What might be my reasoning? And when you understand my reasoning, you'll be at the start of a journey for understanding why your response is nonstarter.

Why so cryptic? Subtle clues do not make Wikipedia credible.

That's immaterial to the fact that MAGA is the deep state.

This is an absurd charge.
Just more liberal rhetoric.

 

[sanderabeer]

Why so cryptic?

I have high expectations of my interlocutors.

Subtle clues do not make Wikipedia credible.

You're continued pushing of this point shows that you've not met my expectations. So let me help.

Why did I cite Wikipedia? It's not because I need Wikipedia to be "credible." It's simply because I need Wikipedia to be a source. That source is where I obtained a definition of the word "deep state." It doesn't matter whether that source is "credible" or not. It simply needs to be external to myself.

The definition that Wikipedia provides in the opening of its article is sufficient close to what I mean by the word "deep state." And once we know what I mean by "deep state" that gives a checklist of attributes that we can use to see if MAGA meets those requirements.

So, going back to the definition. It contains three major attributes. These are:

1. composed of members of the FBI
2. composed of members of the CIA
3. a clandestine network of conspirators within the leadership of the financial and industrial sectors exercise power alongside or within the elected government

When I asked about who controls the FBI or CIA, I was asking, "Does MAGA meet the requires for 1 and 2?" And the answer is very clearly yes because the MAGA controls the FBI and the CIA.

When I about the leadership of the financial and industrial sectors, I was asking, "Does MAGA meet the requirements for 3?" We can start with Musk and roll down the list to Bezos, Zuck, and so many others that hide behind (read: clandestine) super PACs and others like Miller and DOGE peeps. So clearly, the answer here is also yes.

And given that MAGA meets the requirements for all three attributes, or checks off all three attributes, this means that MAGA meets the definition of the deep state.

So...

This is an absurd charge.

I provided a definition. I demonstrated how MAGA meets all the requirements of that definition. No, it's not absurd. It's a reasonable conclusion.

Just more liberal rhetoric.

I am not liberal, and I've never heard liberals formulate my argument above. Though, I'm sure many liberals would agree that MAGA is the deep state for different reasons. But to reduce it to "liberal rhetoric" shows that you don't really have an argument to counter it.

 

[jmldn2]

MAGA is the deep state.

MAGA is revealing the Deep State.

 

[jmldn2]

Wikipedia is a biased, liberal venue. No matter how much a liberal says NOT

 

[sanderabeer]

MAGA is revealing the Deep State.

I agree. Probably just not in the way you intend.

 

[sanderabeer]

Wikipedia is a biased, liberal venue. No matter how much a liberal says NOT

I am not citing Wikipedia as a source of truth or authority. I am simply citing it as an example of a definition for deep state which is in use and happens to be more or less consistent with my own.

Wikipedia is actually inconsequential to my argument.

The fact that both of you are fixated on Wikipedia demonstrates that you don't actually get the argument and/or choose to ignore the substance of the argument.

The fact remains. MAGA is the deep state.

And by the way, I'm not liberal. Nor do I drink the MAGA Kool Aid.

 

[BPPLEE]

I am not citing Wikipedia as a source of truth or authority. I am simply citing it as an example of a definition for deep state which is in use and happens to be more or less consistent with my own.

Wikipedia is actually inconsequential to my argument.

The fact that both of you are fixated on Wikipedia demonstrates that you don't actually get the argument and/or choose to ignore the substance of the argument.

The fact remains. MAGA is the deep state.

And by the way, I'm not liberal. Nor do I drink the MAGA Kool Aid.

Ladies and gentlemen of the jury.....,,

 

[Postvieww]

I am not citing Wikipedia as a source of truth or authority. I am simply citing it as an example of a definition for deep state which is in use and happens to be more or less consistent with my own.

Well you both are wrong! But I am glad you find comfort in Wikipedia agreeing with you.