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Today’s definition has become communistic at the extreme and socialistic on the opposite end. A liberal in today’s governmental politics in no way resembles a liberal of the past.Well here is the old school definition of liberalism
Old School Definition: In its older, traditional sense, liberalism emphasizes individual freedom and rights, limited government, and free markets. This "old school" view prioritizes individual autonomy and self-responsibility, with the government's role primarily limited to protecting individual liberties and ensuring a fair playing field in the economy.
Yes liberals believe in law and order...but what every the left has become today its not liberal.
Yes and I am an astronaut !Don't know. Don't drink it. I'm an independent thinker.
I am not trying to meet your expectations. Based on our interactions you would not be a source of help I would recommend.You're continued pushing of this point shows that you've not met my expectations. So let me help.
Isn't this that is something up to the Courts? Many people get arrested but are released because the courts found that law enforcement overstepped their authority.Liberals believe in quoting that "no one is above the law" but they do not support it whenever it comes to one of their own.
Sounds like hate to me. You are way above your pay grade saying what you believe every Christian should do. Your judgement of Trump is not in the least accurate.I don't hate Trump. He is a vile human and actively harming people, so I am repulsed by him and his actions. Like any Christian should be.
Just pointing out the difference between the two.I see you're deploying the "but but Biden, but but Harris" defense. It is possible for MAGA to be authoritarian and the Democratic Party of be corrupt at the same time. These are not mutually exclusive.
So based on this am I to assume you didn't vote in ether election in which Trump ran?And to be clear, I have never and will never vote for a Democrat. That's one reason I cannot vote for Trump. He used to be a registered Democrat.
Well it does not apply to what Trump is accomplishing in this term. Your claim that it does shows your mischaracterization of the facts.I don't care if you're impressed. But am I oblivious to facts? What is authoritarianism?
Does not apply to Trump who is very much pro individual freedom. Care to provide example of how this applies?The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language (5th edition) defines authoritarian as "characterized by or favoring absolute obedience to authority, as against individual freedom."
False!Who do we see expecting absolute obedience to their authority? Trump.
False!Who throws a tantrum when he doesn't get it? Trump.
False ! You use of "so-called" presumes they are not activist judges when all evidence say they are.Who do we see whining about so-called activist justices? MAGA.
False! Evidence please.Who do we see advocating against individual freedom? MAGA.
False ! Examples please?Who do we see advocating against states rights? MAGA.
Then prove it.Oblivious to actual facts? Nah. I've got the facts right.
False!Trump and MAGA are authoritarian.
These directors to which you refer are cleansing the agencies of the deep staters the current administration is not the problem here. You are so consumed with anti-Trump bias your are confused about reality.Was there a deep state before MAGA became the deep state? I'm sure there was, but that's not the topic of our discussion.
Let's review the factual merit of each component.
FBI
Kash Patel is the current Director of the FBI. Patel was nominated by Donald Trump. Patel was confirmed by the Senate in a 51-49 vote. All 51 of the yea votes were from Republicans.
Who controls the FBI? MAGA.
CIA
John Ratcliffe is the current Director of the CIA. Ratcliffe was nominated by Donald Trump. Ratcliffe was confirmed by a Senate vote of 74-25. Ratcliffe was a fellow of the Heritage Foundation, and he played a role in the MAGA playbook called Project 2025.
Who controls the CIA? MAGA.
Network of Financial and Industrial Sector
Musk financially backed the Trump and other MAGA campaigns. Musk ran DOGE. Thiel founded Palantir Technology. Palantir keeps winning business contracts with the government. Bezos owns the Washington Post. The Washington Post has been noted for cutting out articles critical of Donald Trump. Bezos founded Amazon. Amazon had considered displaying the tarriffs in prices on its site. Trump got wind of it and Amazon backed down. Trump once threatened Zuckerberg with prison, and now Zuck is all about the MAGA.
Relevance? Contributions from numerous entities to both parties are common. Your list here in no way proves you have a grasp on facts or their meaning.Let's not forget about the companies which donated to Trump's inauguration. These include Amazon, Meta, OpenAI, Uber, Toyota, Ford, GM, Goldman Sachs, Bank of America, Kraken (crypto), Coinbase (crypto), AT&T, Intuit, Charter Commmunications, and on the list goes.
Who has a network and works with the financial and industrial sectors? Yep, MAGA.
So, is my argument completely without factual merit? Nope, it's got a very strong basis in facts.
Who controls the FBI? Not me. Who controls the CIA? Not me. Who has a network of financial and industrial sector cronies? Not me. So, by my definition, I'm definitely not the deep state.
"Right, yeah, un-huh."Yes, and we never landed men on the moon. 5G causes brain cancer. The Earth is flat. We should all eat Tide pods. And so on goes the thinking...
No he is the duly elected President of the United States. For the third time I might add. there you go have fun with that. Folder for you to play with.Yes, and Trump is Lord Farquaad.
You are right, the juice is not worth the squeeze. It has been my experience when debating with liberals or liberals in denial that many times they exhibit a superiority complex. They ask for proofs or evidence for things obvious to most reasonable people. They divert and use talking points in unison. In our current political season bash Trump is the common theme. When some of this liberal mess is cleaned up it will interesting to hear the liberal rhetoric. Have a nice day my friend, BTW you are most definitely wrong here.There is a problem with conspiracy theories. They are cheap to make and expensive to debunk.
The conspiracy theorist can posit claims with little to no effort. The debunker has to put forth Herculean efforts to gather evidence, compile it, and present it in a compelling manner. This places the debunker at a disadvantage.
The problem compounds when the conspiracy theorist continues to engage in a Gish gallop. Like so...
At this point, the debunker must decide whether it's worth the effort to continue engaging with the conspiracy theorist. What would be the pay off in the end?
I am convinced the pay off is not there. Continued engagement with a conspiracy theorist will neither enlighten the conspiracy theorist nor others reading along. So, it is time for me to sign off from this discussion. There will no doubt be perceived grave dancing to follow, so I'll just leave with these parting words.
Postvieww, you're wrong.
I find this post rather interesting, and I probably am actually a believer in conservative liberalism in if my life is any indication. My lived experience is telling me that conservative economic policy is inconsistent with reality and may soon be technologically backwards.The fun really begins when someone points out that conservative liberalism and liberal conservatism are actual political philosophies.
'The days of that crap are over': Trump reacts as feds charge Democrat in Congress for assault at ICE facility * WorldNetDaily * by Bob Unruh When the shoe is on the other foot some have a different perspective.
Watch the video if you don’t like this source. Facts are facts. Are liberals for the rule of law or not?You are quoting World Net Daily, and you aren't even giving a summary of what the article says. World Net Daily is not a solid source of information. My advice is to stop looking at it.
A lot of lies with no proof.Not all judges are through with this.
Like I said this is not over. This political prosecution and conviction will be overturned. So much was done wrong in this case by a rogue politically biased judge and DA. It is blatant hypocrisy to watch liberals support this travesty of justice all the while claiming support for the constitution and rule of law.
Typical liberal rhetoric!A lot of lies with no proof.
Provide your proof then. No right winger ever does that.Typical liberal rhetoric!
'The days of that crap are over': Trump reacts as feds charge Democrat in Congress for assault at ICE facility * WorldNetDaily * by Bob Unruh When the shoe is on the other foot some have a different perspective.
Watch the video if you don’t like this source. Facts are facts. Are liberals for the rule of law or not?
You gave no proof and you demand proof from me? Another liberal tactic.Provide your proof then. No right winger ever does that.
The current crop of liberal politicians are the enemy of the constitution.Donald Trump uses vulgar language in your openeing quote. Why? Shouldn't we expect our Presidents to be more dignified?
You seem to assume that liberals are the enemy.
You gave a video that I said was lies with no proof. You said that what I said was typical liberal rhetoric. I then asked you to provide the proof that your video claimed. You can't do that so you push it back on me to prove what you can't because it doesn't exist.You gave no proof and you demand proof from me? Another liberal tactic.
A video about actual court filings???? What are the lies that you claim?You gave a video that I said was lies with no proof.
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