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By all means reject evolution on a personal level but do not flunk your tests because of your beliefs. In the contemporary era, one must adapt.

I'm currently in a psychology class, I can't say that I accept many of the (wacky) ideals of Freud, but since I plan to be successful, I'd better accept the knowledge at hand.

Anyway I am a little surprised...as a Catholic, you need to be aware that the Pope has accepted evolution as a theory, that one can still be Christian while accepting evolution (or even most scientific theories, even the Big Bang, which was actually discovered by a Catholic priest).

Psych Major here, Freud was a crazy guy. SOME of his stuff still holds, most is just plain crazy. What are you learning about? (Off topic but i'm a Psych Buff), in any case,

Learn it anyway and do well on it. It doesn't matter that you don't like it, you have to learn it and if it helps you pass, go for it.
 
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Too bad i couldn't care less about Atheism or what one atheist believes in. Its entirely there choice :thumbsup:

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On Atheism:

Atheism is a false worldview, at the heart of which is the philosophical viewpoint there is no God (or gods). This viewpoint can be considered a religious belief because of two things:

It says something about the existence of God - a religious statement.
The atheist must believe there is no God; they cannot know there is no God. This is because knowing there is no God is a universal negative; to do so would require omniscience. The atheist would basically have to be God to know there is no God.

Therefore atheism is a belief ultimately based on a philosophical viewpoint, not on any evidence that God does not exist. Because of the faith required to hold that philosophical viewpoint, atheism has belief at its core, and atheists absolutely require faith to hold their belief. Atheists generally don't like to have it pointed out to them that their atheism is faith based and will often strongly deny it, even when it's clearly explained. This is reflected in the book title Off SiteYou Can Lead an Atheist to Evidence, But You Can't Make Him Think. Atheism takes more misguided faith than they care to admit, and more faith than it takes to believe that God does exist, as is made clear in the book Off SiteI Don't Have Enough Faith to be an Atheist. Quite simply, Christianity is far more rational than atheism. The book Off SiteChristianity for Skeptics puts atheism in perspective:

Atheism is a journey without a destiny, a body without a soul, a religion without reason, life without meaning, a faith without hope, and a universe without God.

Apart from just being a false religious worldview, atheism can also at times be considered a false religion, especially when it takes the form of vehement antitheism. There are several varieties or degrees of atheism, which lie outside the scope of this listing. Atheism is also listed in the Glossary. See Off SiteCARM's Atheism section for more information, including several videos, or Off SiteRandy Bailey's story of abandoning atheism to accept Jesus Christ as his saviour. He writes:

The greatest truth that I have learned since I have "come home" again, is that all of the arguments and debates in defense of an atheistic worldview exist for one sole purpose: justification of sin. The reality is that, although I wanted to present my atheism as the result of learned, intellectual inquiry, the reality was that I - just as all atheists do - was defending my choice of refusing God and living a sinful lifestyle.

Bless you and may the day when you may wake up and turn to the right belief :holy:
 
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Too bad i couldn't care less about Atheism or what one atheist believes in. Its entirely there choice :thumbsup:

Source: New Zealand Cults, Sects, Religions, Christian Organisations and other groups

On Atheism:

Atheism is a false worldview, at the heart of which is the philosophical viewpoint there is no God (or gods). This viewpoint can be considered a religious belief because of two things:

It says something about the existence of God - a religious statement.
The atheist must believe there is no God; they cannot know there is no God. This is because knowing there is no God is a universal negative; to do so would require omniscience. The atheist would basically have to be God to know there is no God.

Therefore atheism is a belief ultimately based on a philosophical viewpoint, not on any evidence that God does not exist. Because of the faith required to hold that philosophical viewpoint, atheism has belief at its core, and atheists absolutely require faith to hold their belief. Atheists generally don't like to have it pointed out to them that their atheism is faith based and will often strongly deny it, even when it's clearly explained. This is reflected in the book title Off SiteYou Can Lead an Atheist to Evidence, But You Can't Make Him Think. Atheism takes more misguided faith than they care to admit, and more faith than it takes to believe that God does exist, as is made clear in the book Off SiteI Don't Have Enough Faith to be an Atheist. Quite simply, Christianity is far more rational than atheism. The book Off SiteChristianity for Skeptics puts atheism in perspective:

Atheism is a journey without a destiny, a body without a soul, a religion without reason, life without meaning, a faith without hope, and a universe without God.

Apart from just being a false religious worldview, atheism can also at times be considered a false religion, especially when it takes the form of vehement antitheism. There are several varieties or degrees of atheism, which lie outside the scope of this listing. Atheism is also listed in the Glossary. See Off SiteCARM's Atheism section for more information, including several videos, or Off SiteRandy Bailey's story of abandoning atheism to accept Jesus Christ as his saviour. He writes:

The greatest truth that I have learned since I have "come home" again, is that all of the arguments and debates in defense of an atheistic worldview exist for one sole purpose: justification of sin. The reality is that, although I wanted to present my atheism as the result of learned, intellectual inquiry, the reality was that I - just as all atheists do - was defending my choice of refusing God and living a sinful lifestyle.

Bless you and may the day when you may wake up and turn to the right belief :holy:

Might as well give up my free will too. Hell, I guess I should just give up on asking questions about the world too! I guess the pursuit of knowledge and wanting a better world-view and understand of the world around us isn't worth personal beliefs and conclusions. Sighhh. Everything I know is wrong! Dang....this Psych major is gonna get harder every day.. ;)
 
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Mammalian Diversification - YouTube
 
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Well that seemed to be a rather heated response to what I posted. I hope you weren't suggesting that I was arguing for how life came into existence, Girder.

@TimeIsNotMuch, I'm not sure that there was a hint of objective thought put into that last post. Here are a few points:

1)To be an atheist means that you don't believe in a god, not that you don't believe one can exists. I would never make such a bold claim. I feel I can disprove the existence of the Christian god because the Bible defined some of his properties. That is an entirely different subject that I wont get into now.

2)The only leap of faith I take is the three basal assumptions any human must make in order to function:
Assumption 1:
I assume that the phenomenon (the world as I perceive it through my senses) and nounomenon (the world as it exists) are one and the same.
Assumption 2:
I assume that the world is intelligible (that we can learn things from interacting with the world).
Assumption 3:
I assume that models with predictive capability are of more value than models without predictive capability.

3)Not caring what atheists have to say? How closed minded of you.

4)I don't participate in much of what you would consider sin. I'm definitely not an atheist to promote what you would call sin. However, I don't condemn people for participating in activities that you would call sinful. I don't believe that there is a concrete moral code. I think that morals evolve over time based on the consensus of society.

5)I don't understand how atheism is a "false religious worldview". Please demonstrate how simply not believing in something is false? It's making neither a positive nor a negative claim.

6)I would love for you to point me in the direction of the person who is an atheist to justify what you call sin. I've never heard of such a being and I would be fascinated to talk to one. The main reason I would be surprised by this is most Christians I know that are my age seem to have no issues committing what you call sin. I believe that this is because they don't really have to take responsibility for their actions because pretty much anything they can do will be forgiven by god. In their eyes they have no real consequences.

Also, this is the only place I debate religion. It is too sensitive a topic to debate with family or friends. Since I don't want to damage those relationships, I avoid the topic at almost all costs.
 
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Well that seemed to be a rather heated response to what I posted. I hope you weren't suggesting that I was arguing for how life came into existence, Girder.

Not at all. My comment was more of a comment on this discussion as a whole than towards a singular person. You're doing fine! TBH, it was more directed at the Christian side.

Also, this is the only place I debate religion. It is too sensitive a topic to debate with family or friends. Since I don't want to damage those relationships, I avoid the topic at almost all costs.

Debate and logical discussion is the only way we can further our understanding of the ultimate question about life, the universe, and everything, since we all know the answer is 42.
 
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if you are really uncomfortable with learning about it, you could possibly ask to be exempt from learning that particular section.

however, i don't think learning about evolution is anything wrong. you don't have to believe in it if you don't want to.

If you are informed about evolution, that is almost as bad as saying you don't believe in gravity. But alas it is true, you don't have to believe it if you don't want to.
 
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If you don't want to learn it they cannot force you to, It can't change you unless you want to change, if Jesus is in your heart no one can get him out of there - Remember no one can change you.

If you are really uncomfortable with learning it, Ask for your parents help.
 
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In my biology course there is a section on evolution. Part of what is in it is about what Darwin observed. The other part makes some ridiculous claims.
"Almost everyone accepts that evolution took place"
"It is important to understand that there is no contradiction between any of the worlds major religions and evolution"
It also tells us about the evolution of " The height of horse" and uses this as an example to prove evolution. :confused::confused::confused::confused:
The whole topic makes it come across that evolution is fact. No mention of ID. I don't live in America and there is no seperation of church and state or anything..
So is there any chance I'd be able to get an exception ???

Although those quotes are absolutely ridiculous, it's best to keep an open mind and learn of evolution. It is backed by year's upon years of scientific evidence and can get very interesting.
 
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Sorry if this is late. I learned evolution in Bio as well, and well I am Catholic. We were taught that evolution did occur. Earth's creation took 6 days as referred to in the bible. However, it is presumed that this was a general/vague clue that probably took billions of years. I question evolution a lot, but it's ironic how a human is made up of 70% water...bacteria was created from water...which was brought to Earth through the Big Bang. We know how the big bang happened through science, however science doesn't know how or why it started/triggered. There's always a reason things happen. That's where we turn to God, the power and the unexplainable, and something far beyond humans. God bless!
 
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Oh really? Could you quote the verses of Evolution in bible? I'd be happy to see.

Genesis 1:1 Creation of heaven and Earth. Remember the days in order, because it's vital to the part I mentioned on bacteria and water - when God created all the animals.
Exodus 20:11 mentions the same as above.
Genesis 1:20 is the strongest to back these points.
Genesis 1:31 explains God's image of humans.
 
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Genesis 1:1 Creation of heaven and Earth. Remember the days in order, because it's vital to the part I mentioned on bacteria and water - when God created all the animals.
Exodus 20:11 mentions the same as above.
Genesis 1:20 is the strongest to back these points.
Genesis 1:31 explains God's image of humans.

That's Creation. Not Evolution.
 
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That's Creation. Not Evolution.

Evolution corresponds to creation is what I'm trying to get across. The bible is the earliest source of evidence that evolution occurred, and take not only scientists but the Vatican scientists perspective. The point is that realistically the earth didn't take 6 days to 'evolve', including humans. The Church even acclaimed as such. http://www.forbes.com/sites/johnfarrell/2013/05/09/the-vatican-and-evolution-once-more-with-caveats/
 
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Evolution corresponds to creation is what I'm trying to get across. The bible is the earliest source of evidence that evolution occurred, and take not only scientists but the Vatican scientists perspective. The point is that realistically the earth didn't take 6 days to 'evolve', including humans. The Church even acclaimed as such. The Vatican And Evolution: Once More, With Caveats - Forbes

Bear in mind that the whole premise of Genesis completely contradicts the claims of Darwin's Origin of Species. Thus if one does believe in evolution, one cannot take the Bible word-for-word literally. That is however not a problem towards Catholics since Pope Pius XII stated that one would not be considered a heretic if they believed in evolutionary theory (might I add that a Catholic monk and priest were founders of genetics and the Big Bang theory respectively).

Unlike the great majority of Protestant sects, the Catholic Church has always regarded the Bible as infallible (meaning that inner messages must be abided), yet not scientifically literal. Take note that the Church existed before the Bible, they were the ones who compiled the Biblical scriptures together.
 
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