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Do humans speak a secret language between one another?

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As humans, do humans speak in a secret language to one another? Are humans really concerned about words with one another instead of intentions?

On the same note. Do you think that Angels and demons have a language that they both understand? We can read about it in the Gospels when the demons say, "have you come to judge us before the time".

How come all the secrets? Are all afraid of one another? If so, it doesn't make any sense. It doesn't have any use for life. I suppose the straight forward stance is, who is so arrogant to pretend they are better instead of God?

I imagine the fearful will choose to stay away from this thread and the decietful will only try to attack it at any cost.
 

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As humans, do humans speak in a secret language to one another? Are humans really concerned about words with one another instead of intentions?

On the same note. Do you think that Angels and demons have a language that they both understand? We can read about it in the Gospels when the demons say, "have you come to judge us before the time".

How come all the secrets? Are all afraid of one another? If so, it doesn't make any sense. It doesn't have any use for life. I suppose the straight forward stance is, who is so arrogant to pretend they are better instead of God?

Well, I don't consider it secret, but body communication, such as facial expression, is probably the closest to being a universal form of communication amongst humans. I would imagine that angels and demons must communicate with each other in some manner, but whether or not it is their own special language is impossible to say.

Words are intended to convey intentions, so the words are a means to a desired end, and thus why humans do care about them

Odd talking about my own species as if I am not one.
 
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Well, I don't consider it secret, but body communication, such as facial expression, is probably the closest to being a universal form of communication amongst humans. I would imagine that angels and demons must communicate with each other in some manner, but whether or not it is their own special language is impossible to say.

Words are intended to convey intentions, so the words are a means to a desired end, and thus why humans do care about them

Odd talking about my own species as if I am not one.

Thanks for the response.

Do you ever consider that ones intent is actually of the heart instead of only with words spoken from the mouth?

Or would you say that the confusion between one another is more to do with the wrong interpretation?

If it sounds weird, it isn't meant to.
 
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Thanks for the response.

Do you ever consider that ones intent is actually of the heart instead of only with words spoken from the mouth?

From the heart figuratively? I suppose so, especially if people lie to make others feel better.
 
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From the heart figuratively? I suppose so, especially if people lie to make others feel better.

Your speaking of a heart that is made by lies?

I suppose I mean a heart that is of ones being, the deepest part of that being, the truth of that ones self.

Im thinking that lies only come from a mind that has seared its heart intent off and chosen to to ignore its intent. Im honestly having trouble imaging a heart that prefers lying. My heart is aching thinking about "lies as normal".
 
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Your speaking of a heart that is made by lies?

I suppose I mean a heart that is of ones being, the deepest part of that being, the truth of that ones self.

I speak that the heart's intent is to protect from harm, which would normally seem to conflict with a spoken lie. Often the truth can hurt people, I can honestly say that I have been punished more harshly and more often by society in general for speaking truths than speaking falsehoods.
 
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Perhaps you should familiarize yourself with the Private Language Argument by Wittgenstein.

Most people, I think, conceptualize of language like this:

You look at an apple, and have an impression of it in your mind, through your senses, etc and so forth. I look at the same apple, and have my own impressions. Now ... for all I know, when you look at the apple, you see what I would call a blue frog. Likewise, for all you know, when I look at the apple, I see what you would visualize as a green star. Yet ... we have the word "apple" that maps both of what we understand the same object to be, and thus, words are useful to us in order to be able to communicate. Those words map our ideas and concepts in our minds to each other and the focus.

So our concepts are like a private language, which we then translate into a common language. In other words, your blue frog is your private language ... as is my green star. However the public and common language we share calls it an "apple".

Wittgenstein's idea is that such an idea conceding a private language is flawed. There is no such thing as a private language in that context. A language understood by only one person, concerning their concepts, has no meaning to anyone else and cannot be translated. Literally. If it can be translated, then it's not a private language.

For example ... translating green star and blue frog into "apple" is still translating concepts we already understand: green, stars, the color blue, frogs, etc. It's still not a private language.

In order for it to be a private language, it is one that only *you* can make sense of, and cannot be translated so that I can understand it. It may even be non-static and changing constantly to where you don't remember it (if I understand the argument correctly). So it makes no sense to talk of private languages, or private experiences, etc ... talking about them is using language that is common and public.

At first glance ... one may ask, "So what ?" lol ... but in essence, this suggests that language is a social phenomenon. It's brought about by necessity. Whatever is going on in your head .. if there is a private language, it would be incomprehensible to me or anyone else other than yourself. Thus, communication between two people is not private, it is limited, a social construct, and discusses commonalities.

Thus, humans having a "secret language" is somewhat of an oxymoron. I think it is more correct, in this context, to suggest the humans have a secret experience.

I interpret the Private Language Argument to suggest that all personal experience is foundationally ineffable as it pertains to society.
 
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I speak that the heart's intent is to protect from harm, which would normally seem to conflict with a spoken lie. Often the truth can hurt people, I can honestly say that I have been punished more harshly and more often by society in general for speaking truths than speaking falsehoods.

How can that be though? I can't imagine a heart for truth being inflicted by truth, yet lies hurt worse than a wound.

Perhaps those that think truth hurts them are those that prefer to lie to themselves.
 
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No heart should prefer lying, I know mine certainly doesn't. However, I would imagine that there are plenty of people that find lying to be more natural to them than telling the truth, to both themselves and to others.

I can understand not wanting to believe in a thing. But perhaps the one that prefers the truth, doesnt ever want to believe in falseness. And will wait for the actual truth, at any cost.
 
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How can that be though? I can't imagine a heart for truth being inflicted by truth, yet lies hurt worse than a wound.

Perhaps those that think truth hurts them are those that prefer to lie to themselves.

People often do prefer to lie to themselves, and can't stand it when the truth which conflicts with those lies is spoken; thus, they punish those whom would speak the truth with their tears or by directly inflicting bodily or emotional harm.

For those of us who neither wish to lie to ourselves or to others, but who also wish to keep the peace and make others happy, this is a problem.
 
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Perhaps you should familiarize yourself with the Private Language Argument by Wittgenstein.

Most people, I think, conceptualize of language like this:

You look at an apple, and have an impression of it in your mind, through your senses, etc and so forth. I look at the same apple, and have my own impressions. Now ... for all I know, when you look at the apple, you see what I would call a blue frog. Likewise, for all you know, when I look at the apple, I see what you would visualize as a green star. Yet ... we have the word "apple" that maps both of what we understand the same object to be, and thus, words are useful to us in order to be able to communicate. Those words map our ideas and concepts in our minds to each other and the focus.

That is logical to a certain point. Have you ever felt pain in your heart that one way was so wrong that it hurt you so bad?
 
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That is logical to a certain point. Have you ever felt pain in your heart that one way was so wrong that it hurt you so bad?

You do realize that the pained chest feeling is an emotional response from the brain and doesn't originate from the actual heart organ, right?
 
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That is logical to a certain point.
It being logical to a point is precisely why I continued with the next point which reveals it's possible flaws lol.

Have you ever felt pain in your heart that one way was so wrong that it hurt you so bad?
Maybe it's your grammar or way you're phrasing it, but I don't understand what you mean by "that one way was so wrong" ... perhaps if you clarify I'll understand what your response has to do with my post.
 
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People often do prefer to lie to themselves, and can't stand it when the truth which conflicts with those lies is spoken; thus, they punish those whom would speak the truth with their tears or by directly inflicting bodily or emotional harm.

For those of us who neither wish to lie to ourselves or to others, but who also wish to keep the peace and make others happy, this is a problem.

Do you notice that those that prefer lies, prefer to be sarcastic nearly all the time and make jokes and call good things bad and bad things good?

Isn't there a deeper issue with such a psychological thinking process, a deeper pain that they are perhaps avoiding in order to comfort themselves temporarily until the next fix? In other words, attempting to run away from the truth
 
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Do you notice that those that prefer lies, prefer to be sarcastic nearly all the time and make jokes and call good things bad and bad things good?

Isn't there a deeper issue with such a psychological thinking process, a deeper pain that they are perhaps avoiding in order to comfort themselves temporarily until the next fix? In other words, attempting to run away from the truth

If you are talking about denial, probably for a few of these people that is the case.
 
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You do realize that the pained chest feeling is an emotional response from the brain and doesn't originate from the actual heart organ, right?

A brain that doesnt recognize the heart, conscience, accordingly, will no doubt pick and choose its own courses and numbnesses.
 
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Well, of course, im speaking of truth, in all of its senses.

Well, online you can only really communicate through sight and hearing. Then again, those are the means by which most specific and concise human communication works.
 
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