Do creationists critically examine their own ideas (re: creationism)?

[W2L]

Pure religion is to stay free from greed, hate, self righteous pride, materialism, and instead to feed widows and orphans.

Sounds tried and true to me.

 

[Kylie]

Well, a couple of ways...one,you are still breathing and asking questions (I hope)...so you have life experience, which is crucial to testing faith. Second, you are presenting counter arguments to my faith (somewhat), which serves to verify my worldview. Thank you, by the way.

Again, you are being rather vague. Can you be specific in any way? How does asking questions test the conclusions reached by others? How do my counterarguments reinforce your faith?

 

[AV1611VET]

I'm not aware of any instance where something presented as fact by science was ever decided on by voting on it.

I said "idea."

As in "holes and weaknesses in the ideas being tested".

Can you give an example of such an instance?

Let's suppose a sci an engineer proposes his idea that a component or components of a particular vehicle will not be able to work at peak efficiency because of the weather conditions?

Will that idea be voted on or tested?

 

[Kylie]

I said "idea."

As in "holes and weaknesses in the ideas being tested".Let's suppose a sci an engineer proposes his idea that a component or components of a particular vehicle will not be able to work at peak efficiency because of the weather conditions?

Will that idea be voted on or tested?

Oh, here we go, you pull out the Challenger thing again. I don't understand why you think this one example proves your point while you ignore the countless other examples that say otherwise.

Would you like me to ask if your Boolean standards allow for any parts of the Bible to be figurative instead of literal?

 

[Tone]

Again, you are being rather vague. Can you be specific in any way? How does asking questions test the conclusions reached by others? How do my counterarguments reinforce your faith?

I'm reinforcing the idea that started this thread flare up, if you will, which is that our own life experience (personal testimony) is valid proof for our faith. Also, your counterarguments against my faith, serves to reinforce it, because I have documentation (the Bible) that already established that this opposition would take place (and this centuries ago)...in other words, your hostility to the message that I have received, serves only to verify that message. In all communication, there is noise...for one who is inexperienced, this may hurl them into confusion...which I have experienced before. However, in the long run...as my documentation tells me (and again, I have seen it confirmed), this testing has increasingly refined my belief system.

James 1:3
"2Consider it pure joy, my brothers, when you encounter trials of many kinds, 3because you know that the testing of your faith develops perseverance. 4Allow perseverance to finish its work, so that you may be mature and complete, not lacking anything."

 

[AV1611VET]

Would you like me to ask if your Boolean standards allow for any parts of the Bible to be figurative instead of literal?

Look ... I deleted those posts, and I apologize for being a jerk.

Can we be friends again?

 

[Tone]

Psalms 66:10-12
For You have tried us, O God; You have refined us as silver is refined. You brought us into the net; You laid an oppressive burden upon our loins. You made men ride over our heads; We went through fire and through water, Yet You brought us out into a place of abundance.

1 Peter 1:6-7
In this you greatly rejoice, even though now for a little while, if necessary, you have been distressed by various trials, so that the proof of your faith, being more precious than gold which is perishable, even though tested by fire, may be found to result in praise and glory and honor at the revelation of Jesus Christ;

 

[SelfSim]

Relgion is based on beliefs. Beliefs are not objectively testable .. your response is diversionary.

"Beliefs are not objectively testable"...so...then...you don't believe in the "Scientific method"...I thought you did.

Correct. There is no need to 'believe in' any of it .. and I stand by that in every conversation.

I can test what science has to say .. (and that is exactly what is going on behind the scenes in these conversations!)

Its a complete misunderstanding to say 'that science needs to be believed' .. that's completely inconsistent with what distinguishes science in the first place!

PS: Hypotheses can be tested .. speculation leads to hypotheses .. but neither of those are beliefs .. those terms convey entirely dissimilar meanings.

 

[Tone]

I can test what science has to say .. (and that is exactly what is going on behind the scenes in these conversations!)

And you don't think you can test what the Bible has to say...you do know that this has been and is being done on many levels for a long time now.

 

[Tone]

Its a complete misunderstanding to say 'that science needs to be believed' .. that's completely inconsistent with what distinguishes science in the first place!

I agree, science doesn't need to be believed.

 

[dad]

Of course, you could prove me wrong in a second by providing some real evidence to support your position.

Anything Jesus said is proven to me. Nothing origin demon sciences say is even supportable for the sake of debate!

 

[Kylie]

I'm reinforcing the idea that started this thread flare up, if you will, which is that our own life experience (personal testimony) is valid proof for our faith.

Except it's not. A person's subjective experience is not valid evidence for anything. Valid evidence needs to be tested and it needs to withstand that testing.

Also, your counterarguments against my faith, serves to reinforce it, because I have documentation (the Bible) that already established that this opposition would take place (and this centuries ago)...in other words, your hostility to the message that I have received, serves only to verify that message. In all communication, there is noise...for one who is inexperienced, this may hurl them into confusion...which I have experienced before. However, in the long run...as my documentation tells me (and again, I have seen it confirmed), this testing has increasingly refined my belief system.

James 1:3
"2Consider it pure joy, my brothers, when you encounter trials of many kinds, 3because you know that the testing of your faith develops perseverance. 4Allow perseverance to finish its work, so that you may be mature and complete, not lacking anything."

The fact that a holy text says that others will disagree doesn't mean that the rest of it is true.

 

[Kylie]

Look ... I deleted those posts, and I apologize for being a jerk.

Can we be friends again?

Why do you think my question is meant as a punishment? It's a perfectly legitimate question.

 

[Kylie]

Anything Jesus said is proven to me. Nothing origin demon sciences say is even supportable for the sake of debate!

How is it proven to you?

 

[Kylie]

And you don't think you can test what the Bible has to say...you do know that this has been and is being done on many levels for a long time now.

Again, I ask how the Bible can be tested.

If you ask me how the structure of water can be tested, I can give you specific instructions on how to split water into oxygen and hydrogen. It's not even that difficult, chances are you have all the equipment you need at home.

But how can I test the conclusion reached by the Christian guy who lives down the street?

 

[SelfSim]

And you don't think you can test what the Bible has to say...you do know that this has been and is being done on many levels for a long time now.

Those (ie: the Bible's meanings) are not objectively testable though .. not when the tenets are beliefs, that is.

 

[SelfSim]

Anything Jesus said is proven to me. Nothing origin demon sciences say is even supportable for the sake of debate!

... your belief .. and not stated scientifically.

You really should try harder in being specific in your posts!

 

[dad]

How is it proven to you?

In a million ways, none of which science has a clue about. He makes Himself known to all who seek with their heart.

 

[Kylie]

In a million ways, none of which science has a clue about. He makes Himself known to all who seek with their heart.

Yeah, you're still not actually providing anything.

 

[dad]

... your belief .. and not stated scientifically.

You really should try harder in being specific in your posts!

Why would any belief be stated in a way poor little half blind and dumb science could deal with?? Science is like a dead ant, and God's real science is like a trillion universes.