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No problem, kid yourself, and whatever lurker may believe you all you like.
Perhaps you should take time to construct your arguments in a meaningful manner. The argument you presented apparently does not reflect your thoughts.no. i think that there are much more non-neutral differences between human and chimp then there is between a tiger and a house cat.
...he read from a book written down by a human.This is exactly why He said, “It is written: ‘Man shall not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.’”
Maybe the lurkers would be more inclined to believe your side if you could, you know, actually produce some evidence to support your position.
Bible has its human (writers) and God's (inspiration) part.That His word is true and that Jesus fulfilled Scripture and was the living word of God is basic Christianity actually.
I guess the angel reminding folks in Revelation that He created all things and all the other holy men of God in the bible who affirm and refer to it are ignoring the heart of the bible eh? Good luck with that.
The majority of the church system does not overrule God and Scripture, sorry that is news to you.
God spoke through them so what they said was from above...not from below like so called science. I also suspect that the ancients were at least as smart as modern man.
A child: God created the world and Adam and Eve.
A Scientist: You came from pond slime and the world from a cosmic series of flukes.
A Nominal bible believer: I agree with the scientist no matter what.
No more than a river really means a train, or a tree really means the milky way. We are mortal and fragile in this sinful state, that is true, but that in no way takes away from the reality of the first man and woman.
I try not to overrule and correct God and tell Him how He reeeaaallllly done it.
Whatever message opposes Scripture, let it be thrown away, stomped on, burned to ashes, and scattered to the winds.
If it's provable and supported, then present that proof and support.My position, like yours, is beliefs. In my case, the time honored proven bible. Pretending God has not supported His word is delusional. Pretending you offered anything but belief based nonsense to support your science beliefs is dishonest.
You still don't get it do you?We cannot be expected to believe that you are unaware of the various branches of science that claim to tell us where life came from and the universe and man..etc.
All statements of repeated assertion ..dad said:You have no test, I do. Jesus is the truth as well as the creator the bible says. Anything that opposes this is a lie.
What 'truth' do you refer to?dad said:Not sure {h}ow anyone would think the truth in the bible is hard to distinguish from the lies of demon science. They look nothing alike.SelfSim said:Of more importance however, is that I actually make the effort to distinguish religions and delusions ... whereas you continually demonstrate your incapacity for doing that.
Bible has its human (writers) and God's (inspiration) part.
Ah, so not there is an inspired part. I guess the rest is junk?Atheists do not see the inspired part, some Christians, like you, do not see the human part.
No. It is an example that we really need to give over the reins of our soul and heart to God.Historical and major Christiniaty see both parts.
When the Bible says "praise God in your kidneys", its an example of a theological message presented in an ancient human worldview.
We scientifically know that thinking is not in our kidneys, but the message was not to teach us about anatomy. The message is that we should be sincere in our praise and concentrate on God in our most inner part of thinking.
Science is not a spiritual interpretation tool, rather it is a tool of demons to cast doubt on God, creation and His word!Every "normal" Bible translator knows this and therefore translations use our cultural expression for it and translate it as "praise God in your heart", which is, again, not a scientific description.
No, God was speaking through them. Not only for them but also for us today right now.When ancient mesotopomian writers used topics like 7 days, trees of life/knowledge, firmanent, dust, ribs/sides etc, they were using their concepts and we must understand that, not just blindly copy their expressions like if it was science and argue with reality. As Satan did not literally destroy Jesus' heel, so also words like "you will be eating dust" are not literal, but you must understand the message, what it meant for ancient people.
Some was written by God's hand directly, some spoken directly, some given in dreams or visions...etc etc. The usual situation was bypassing normal thinking. John was lifted to heaven to see things, Jesus spoke words from the Father, Ezekiel saw visions, God spoke to Moses directly...etc etc. To minimize the overwhelming presence of God in the people He used to get Scripture to man, is blasphemy and unbelief.Bible did not fall from heaven nor was dictated word for word by God. Inspiration is expressed by human writers, by their language, cultural themes and topics etc. Revelation was gradually developing until "the fullness of time", when God sent His Son.
The YEC creationism did not originate in some "standard" Christian branch, but in the Seventh Day Adventists movement based by a female prophetess who got a "vision" that we must keep the literal Sabbath and also "got" a various details about Genesis.
If it's provable and supported, then present that proof and support.
That's all people have been asking from you.
There is no test for creation. There is no test for God in science. There is no test for what nature was like or what time in the far universe is like. There is only religious application of beliefs. THAT IS the scientific method!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!You still don't get it do you?
Science provides testable models for these things.
It does not 'tell us' these things.
Get it right!
The test is to try Him. He will be observed by all who do..and eventually by all...period.All statements of repeated assertion ..
Where's the objective test in anything you just asserted?
Sheesh!! Do even read your own responses?
Jesus-creator-God-Savior.What 'truth' do you refer to?
Sure, just die then you find out! If folks refuse to believe, they will still find out, though it takes a bit longer. No one on earth fails that test!Can you cite the test which does not require me to believe that the 'truth' you refer to, exists in science's objective reality?
If not, then I'd agree that science stands very distinct from that belief
Obvioiusly not. Like Paul's greetings, personal notes, Luke's hard work to search for genealogies and what happened with Jesus (he did not receive it just dictated by God) etc.Every word is from God.
They did not have any Bible. They had only Scriptures. There was not any "one-book with all certified writings in it" canon, various groups used different text of the same writings or even different writings with various levels of authority/inspiration. For example, Isaiah was always more authoritative, central or deemed more inspired than the Song of songs or Rut. They also used writings we do not use at all.Which books of the bible do you think Jesus excluded when He said this?
"28 But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it."
Its junk if we use it your way - scientifically. You are making it to be a junk when you read it and apply it without any understanding. Nobody would say that Homer, Plato, Aristoteles writings are "junk" just because it cannot be used as a school book in biology or astronomy class. These writings are all precious, even though human, if used properly.Ah, so not there is an inspired part. I guess the rest is junk?
Yes.2 Tim 3: 16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
Bible is written for every generation, but not to and in every generation. We must work with texts written in very ancient generations. As they had no idea about social networks or quantum mechanics, we have no idea (if we do not study) about what they meant by Eden, trees, cyclic days, dust, 40 (40 days, 40 generations...), 7, 12 etc.No, God was speaking through them. Not only for them but also for us today right now.
Yes, some. And the rest (99%) was written by guys like you and me, who tried their best to express what God inspired them to say or to do, but were mere humans.Some was written by God's hand directly, some spoken directly, some given in dreams or visions...etc etc.
Bible does not care about the age of the Universe, it never states it explicitly and never proposes the method of Usher to get the age. The Bible has a bigger fish to fry - our salvation.Name anyone in the bible that said the world was millions of years old or not actually, really, actually created by God as Genesis said! You can't. Your belief system is not that of the bible at all.
My position, like yours, is beliefs. In my case, the time honored proven bible. Pretending God has not supported His word is delusional. Pretending you offered anything but belief based nonsense to support your science beliefs is dishonest.
The problem is that the source you use to prove the Bible is the Bible, so all you have is circular logic.
Why don't you try giving us some evidence from the real world to support the Bible's claims?
LOL!actually some big cats can interbreed with small cats. so i think that the closest definition of "kind" should be in the familly level. although not always. for instance chimp and human belong to the same family but its clear that they are different "kinds" by creationists.
Obvioiusly not. Like Paul's greetings, personal notes, Luke's hard work to search for genealogies and what happened with Jesus (he did not receive it just dictated by God) etc.
Jesus made it clear that when He ascended to heaven He would send His Spirit to some people to help them get His words recorded right! His words are as much Scripture as anything He inspired before at least! The apostles and folks He inspired to teach people are also based on His words and inspiration.They did not have any Bible. They had only Scriptures. There was not any "one-book with all certified writings in it" canon, various groups used different text of the same writings or even different writings with various levels of authority/inspiration. For example, Isaiah was always more authoritative, central or deemed more inspired than the Song of songs or Rut. They also used writings we do not use at all.
It means words from God. Of course they instruct."The word of God" here means God's instructions for our life, as the context is quite clear about it.
Using the word (sword) of God properly does not mean using it as a book marker in a Darwin book!Its junk if we use it your way - scientifically. You are making it to be a junk when you read it and apply it without any understanding. Nobody would say that Homer, Plato, Aristoteles writings are "junk" just because it cannot be used as a school book in biology or astronomy class. These writings are all precious, even though human, if used properly.
Every jot and tittle.Yes.
a) every Scripture, not every word in it
b) profitable, not a perfect idol to be worshipped
The bible tells us how babies are formed by God in the womb, science does not cover that, as science only deals with the physical formation. The bible tells us what eternal bodies will be like, science stops at the grave! The bible shows how spiritual bodies can remain unscathed by smoke and fire and death. Science has no clue. The bible tells us this body is a temporary dwelling, like a tent, science sees no more than this body and mind. Etc. Science is like an infant that has never been out of the house yet compared to the wisdom of God.c) for reproof, righteousness... not for scientific class and understanding human body
The bible says how God created the first couple and listed the genealogies from them to the modern time. Believing this is not adding, while not believing this to accommodate demon science is taking away from what is said, as well as adding lies to it!If you would just stop adding into the Biblical texts and only read what it says, you would be automatically much less an YEC hard core proponent.
Stop getting bogged down thinking God's word is limited to your conception of what the men who wrote it were probably like! God wrote it, and piped it through the men. God knows all about the quantum mechanics. Science is just learning about them and how to tweak them and use them. God knew all about this and everything else science will never know long before creation week!Bible is written for every generation, but not to and in every generation. We must work with texts written in very ancient generations. As they had no idea about social networks or quantum mechanics, we have no idea (if we do not study) about what they meant by Eden, trees, cyclic days, dust, 40 (40 days, 40 generations...), 7, 12 etc.
God uses mere humans. He is that big!Yes, some. And the rest (99%) was written by guys like you and me, who tried their best to express what God inspired them to say or to do, but were mere humans.
He that comes to God must believe that He is! And that He is true. Coming to Him is coming to the One who made it all, just as He said.Bible does not care about the age of the Universe, it never states it explicitly and never proposes the method of Usher to get the age. The Bible has a bigger fish to fry - our salvation.
Same reason you do not give evidence in this thread to support your religion.The problem is that the source you use to prove the Bible is the Bible, so all you have is circular logic.
Why don't you try giving us some evidence from the real world to support the Bible's claims?
That's an evasion.Same reason you do not give evidence in this thread to support your religion.
Ah, something to sink the teeth into finally.That's an evasion.
Patterns of DNA similarity, types of transitional fossils hypothesised in advance, patterns of fossil morphology are all objective pieces of evidence. They can be studied independently of personal intuitions and beliefs.
The problems come when you vaguely hand wave together observations with emotional reactions to them.Are you not reading what he is saying...he said the bible in conjunction with what he sees in the world around him and within himself...objective...subjective...intellectual...emotional...imaginative...existential...experiential...in other words, the whole person (not just intellect), because it's not what you encounter when you encounter truth...it is Who...person to person...a realm that science cannot enter...
DNA from ancient humans, Neanderthals and Denisova are consistent with the relatedness via evolution. They are completely in opposition to humans being descended from Noah and four women.Ah, something to sink the teeth into finally.
Prove there was modern DNA for early man? Show us any 'transitional fossil' that could not have been descended from a created kind!? Show us how the fossil record represents life on earth, rather than a minority of creatures who were able to fossilize in a different natured past? Otherwise you are pulpit pounding.
"Why is the your evo fable true? Because the fable says it is." Is not a logical argument, nor a logical, nor a godly one.
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