Getting past the fact there's no evidence the oil we observed was made 4,000 years ago in one event, if the flood killed plant and fungal life all over the world, what exactly did herbivores and fungivores eat?
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No, that's where oil and coal comes from.
No, that's where oil and coal comes from.
No, that's where oil and coal comes from.
If that were the case concentrations of oil should be greater around areas with land surfaces rather than under water, and that isn't the case.
If it weren't for the flood you wouldn't have large areas of oil and coal under the earth.
If that were the case concentrations of oil should be greater around areas with land surfaces rather than under water, and that isn't the case.
Again, no. There was no flood. That foolish idea was debunked long before Darwin's time.
There are no flood sediments. Geologists know what flood sediments look like and we do not have thousands and thousands of feet of flood sediments.
I was under the impression that you were a former Christian.....so I would assume you would know why the Jews made the mistake of rejecting Christ.
Well, the verse context is of course a whole other debate. But my dictionaries all assert "Parthenos" refers to a virgin. The Song of Solomon, being a song of courtship, would certainly consider the prospective bride to be a virgin, so I'm not sure how your reference would apply there, either. You are, of course, referring to the Septuagint for the Song of Solomon, and not the Hebrew?
Why Jesus defeated sin and death. He came back from the dead. I cant think of any greater power than to be able to come back from the dead. So death could never ever have any power of us if we believe in Jesus. That is a knock out blow if you ask me.So much for your god being omnipotent then.
There is a difference between being omniscient and choosing not to use it and not having those powers at all. Jesus became man so that he could save us. He became flesh and was sacrificed for our sins so that we may be able to come to God justified with our sins forgiven. Big difference.And so much for your god being omniscient then.
Jesus being flesh and could feel all the weaknesses of man. So He could feel scared and fear what was happening. He was an innocent man being accused of something He didn't do. He could have went off at them or defended Himself or saved Himself but He didn't. He simple told the truth and they were going to crucify Him no matter what.Which was his plan in the first place.
How was he a pain in the neck. Gee someone telling the truth is not a pain in the neck. The only ones causing any pain or being a nuisance were the rulers who sentenced an innocent man to death. Even pilot said he could find no fault in Him and washed his hands of the matter.Being a pain in the neck and getting himself nailed to a cross might have had something to do with it as well.
He was dead but then he was raised from the dead. He defeated death and Hades.So, not dead at all. Hurrah!
Except this one was the ultimate one that purchased our salvation. There was no need for any more.Yes, primitive blood sacrifice. Not religion's most sophisticated idea.
I dont understand what you are meaning.Except it wasn't a sacrifice at all as you've just pointed out yourself.
God the father the creator of everything. The one in the old testament who people use to sacrifice to so their sins could be atoned. He will forgive our sins if we come to Jesus and seek redemption. We are all sinners and unworthy before God but Jesus has bought us freedom by His death on the cross. He took on our sin so that we could be made righteous before God.Just for clarification, who does the forgiving in this story? Who is the sacrifice supposed to impress enough to allow some forgiving to take place?
Then they're wrong.
After the Scriptures were completed in AD 96, there was no need for anymore prophets to add to Them.
Put another way, God finished writing His Diary in the first century AD.
Why Jesus defeated sin and death. He came back from the dead. I cant think of any greater power than to be able to come back from the dead. So death could never ever have any power of us if we believe in Jesus. That is a knock out blow if you ask me.
There is a difference between being omniscient and choosing not to use it and not having those powers at all. Jesus became man so that he could save us. He became flesh and was sacrificed for our sins so that we may be able to come to God justified with our sins forgiven. Big difference.
Jesus being flesh and could feel all the weaknesses of man. So He could feel scared and fear what was happening. He was an innocent man being accused of something He didn't do. He could have went off at them or defended Himself or saved Himself but He didn't. He simple told the truth and they were going to crucify Him no matter what.
How was he a pain in the neck. Gee someone telling the truth is not a pain in the neck. The only ones causing any pain or being a nuisance were the rulers who sentenced an innocent man to death. Even pilot said he could find no fault in Him and washed his hands of the matter.
He was dead but then he was raised from the dead. He defeated death and Hades.
Except this one was the ultimate one that purchased our salvation. There was no need for any more.
I dont understand what you are meaning.
God the father the creator of everything. The one in the old testament who people use to sacrifice to so their sins could be atoned. He will forgive our sins if we come to Jesus and seek redemption. We are all sinners and unworthy before God but Jesus has bought us freedom by His death on the cross. He took on our sin so that we could be made righteous before God.
Who said it was anything about being reduced to one decision. He was dealing with the situation as it came up and was presented to Him. Satan intervened and was trying to challenge God. God responded in the best way He knew how and that was to defeat what Satan had done and provide a way out for mankind.You said this omnipotent being was reduced to one choice. Does that sound like omnipotence to you?
It wasn't just about Jesus becoming flesh. It was about defeating the power of sin and death. Even though the flesh had died Jesus rose again. So death didn't keep Him down. Death is the end result of sin. The wages of sin is death. So by defeating death it no longer has a hold on us.So you are saying that your god is omniscient, but chooses not to use his omniscience to know what it's like to be human. Really? in your words "God became jesus...to know the experiences of man". You don't regard this as a rather laborious roundabout route of knowing something for a being who is omniscient? It doesn't strike you as ridiculous in any way?
Yes but its not the way we think it would be. The bible says no one knows the mind of God. So we dont know the big picture of why and how this happened. You are only injecting what you think of how it was and why He would do the things he would do. It maybe that even though He does know all things He still had to do what He did as it was the best way to defeat Satan and make a connection with us. He may be able to be both all knowing and also someone that can feel and act in the position of how someone would be not knowing. Its like how can Jesus have the qualities of God and yet become man. He may know of all the Godly qualities and powers but then also have to be all the things that man is at the same time.When I said it was his plan in the first place I meant that, being omniscient, god would have known the whole storyline before he even created the universe. It was his plan all along.
He wasn't noticed by the roman authorities. he was singled out by the Jewish high priests who didn't like what he was saying. They accused Him of blasphemy. But if He truly was the Son of God then He wasn't blaspheming was He. But what Jesus was saying was the truth about how they were being Hypocritical. Remember Jesus was the fulfillment of the old testament so He had come to tell them that there was no need to keep doing all those rituals to keep the laws. We could now be born again in the spirit of God. They didn't like that and so they made a case against Him and got the Romans involved. The Romans thought He was an innocent if anything. But because the high priests had so much influence they got Pilot to go along for the ride.He deliberately went around preaching subversive rhetoric that got him noticed by roman authorities who were in the habit of crucifying subversives. Who are you going to blame? Especially as it was his plan to get himself nailed to a cross in the first place.
He was dead because He was flesh. But God raised Him and defeated death.Yay, immortal being not dead after all.
You dont believe anyway so what is the use of even telling you what the meaning of this was. It is the very core of a Christian belief.You can't kill god. At best your story describes a rather elaborate suicide gesture by an immortal being. 'Immortal being pretends to kill himself'. Not quite the front page he was looking for. You needed a hell of a lot of spin to make people swallow that story.
No God the Father gave His only Son. Jesus prayed to His Father in the garden of Gethsemane. God said He was pleased with His son and Jesus said I go to be with my Father and sit at His right side. Ig God is omnipotent then He can be and do all of the above as He is omnipotent and omniscient. Like I said you are putting it all into a box of human thought and giving it certain limits and explanations that you dont know. You are reasoning according to your limited knowledge on something that is beyond our comprehension.So, god sacrificed himself in order to impress himself enough to do some forgiving, which he couldn't have done otherwise even though he's omnipotent. Correct?
-_- I wasn't agreeing with the flood.
Yes, I know why Christians say that Jews make the mistake of not accepting Christ as the messiah...
However, since I have been able to read the Bible more objectively, I completely agree with the Jewish scholars that Jesus did not fulfill their requirements of a messiah.
As I have stated, every messianic prophecy that the NT says that Jesus fulfilled has been taken out of context from the OT (or even was not present in the OT), usually not even intended to BE a messianic prophecy.
Without that interpretation, we would be under pressure by you scientists to accept them as legitimate.And they think you are wrong...
Like I said, as always, it boils down to interpretation...
Without that interpretation, we would be under pressure by you scientists to accept them as legitimate.
(Why does this remind me of Frances Kelsey?)
Who said it was anything about being reduced to one decision.
So The only way to restore that was to do something that would re establish the balance and power to man. Sin and death had to be defeated. The only thing that could do that was the sacrifice of God Himself.
He was dealing with the situation as it came up and was presented to Him.
Satan intervened and was trying to challenge God. God responded in the best way He knew how and that was to defeat what Satan had done and provide a way out for mankind.
It wasn't just about Jesus becoming flesh. It was about defeating the power of sin and death. Even though the flesh had died Jesus rose again. So death didn't keep Him down. Death is the end result of sin. The wages of sin is death. So by defeating death it no longer has a hold on us.
Yes but its not the way we think it would be. The bible says no one knows the mind of God.
So we dont know the big picture of why and how this happened.
You are only injecting what you think of how it was and why He would do the things he would do.
It maybe that even though He does know all things He still had to do what He did as it was the best way to defeat Satan and make a connection with us.
He may be able to be both all knowing and also someone that can feel and act in the position of how someone would be not knowing.
Its like how can Jesus have the qualities of God and yet become man.
He may know of all the Godly qualities and powers but then also have to be all the things that man is at the same time.
Afterall if Omniscience is knowing all things at the same time then He can feel and be all things at the same time.
It is a concept that we find hard to comprehend.
But what you are doing is putting limits and certain interpretations that you are deciding from a mind that is limited and doesn't understand in the first place.
He wasn't noticed by the roman authorities. he was singled out by the Jewish high priests who didn't like what he was saying. They accused Him of blasphemy. But if He truly was the Son of God then He wasn't blaspheming was He. But what Jesus was saying was the truth about how they were being Hypocritical. Remember Jesus was the fulfillment of the old testament so He had come to tell them that there was no need to keep doing all those rituals to keep the laws. We could now be born again in the spirit of God. They didn't like that and so they made a case against Him and got the Romans involved. The Romans thought He was an innocent if anything. But because the high priests had so much influence they got Pilot to go along for the ride.
He was dead because He was flesh. But God raised Him and defeated death.
You dont believe anyway so what is the use of even telling you what the meaning of this was. It is the very core of a Christian belief.
John 3:16
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
The reason Jesus had to die for our sins was so that we could be forgiven and go to be with the Lord. Jesus is God in flesh (John 1:1 ,14; Col. 2:9), and only God can satisfy the Law requirements of a perfect life and perfect sacrifice that cleanses us of our sins.
Why did Jesus have to die for our sins? | Forgiven of sins in Jesus | Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry
No God the Father gave His only Son. Jesus prayed to His Father in the garden of Gethsemane. God said He was pleased with His son and Jesus said I go to be with my Father and sit at His right side. Ig God is omnipotent then He can be and do all of the above as He is omnipotent and omniscient.
Like I said you are putting it all into a box of human thought and giving it certain limits and explanations that you dont know.
You are reasoning according to your limited knowledge on something that is beyond our comprehension.
I don't know. But thank you for admitting that you are wrong. Without your failed interpretation you would have to accept reality, I could not have said it better myself
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